Repeal the 19th Amendment

[davsel]

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...28&version=DRA

Acts 28
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came very many to him unto his lodgings; to whom he expounded, testifying the kingdom of God, and persuading them concerning Jesus, out of the law of Moses and the prophets, from morning until evening.

24 And some believed the things that were said; but some believed not.

25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, Paul speaking this one word: Well did the Holy Ghost speak to our fathers by Isaias the prophet,

26 Saying: Go to this people, and say to them: With the ear you shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see, and shall not perceive.

27 For the heart of this people is grown gross, and with their ears have they heard heavily, and their eyes they have shut; lest perhaps they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

28 Be it known therefore to you, that this salvation of God is sent to the Gentiles, and they will hear it.

[68Charger]

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...28&version=DRA

Acts 28
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came very many to him unto his lodgings; to whom he expounded, testifying the kingdom of God, and persuading them concerning Jesus, out of the law of Moses and the prophets, from morning until evening.

24 And some believed the things that were said; but some believed not.

25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, Paul speaking this one word: Well did the Holy Ghost speak to our fathers by Isaias the prophet,

26 Saying: Go to this people, and say to them: With the ear you shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see, and shall not perceive.

27 For the heart of this people is grown gross, and with their ears have they heard heavily, and their eyes they have shut; lest perhaps they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

28 Be it known therefore to you, that this salvation of God is sent to the Gentiles, and they will hear it.

I'll use the Douay-Rheims edition, since you seem to favor it:

Romans 16:17-18

Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)


¹⁷ Now I beseech you, brethren, to mark them who make dissensions and offences contrary to the doctrine which you have learned, and avoid them.

¹⁸ For they that are such, serve not Christ our Lord, but their own belly; and by pleasing speeches and good words, seduce the hearts of the innocent.

2 Corinthians 2:5-11

Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)


⁵ And if any one have caused grief, he hath not grieved me; but in part, that I may not burden you all.
⁶ To him who is such a one, this rebuke is sufficient, which is given by many:

⁷ So that on the contrary, you should rather forgive him and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow.

⁸ Wherefore, I beseech you, that you would confirm your charity towards him.

⁹ For to this end also did I write, that I may know the experiment of you, whether you be obedient in all things.

¹⁰ And to whom you have pardoned any thing, I also. For, what I have pardoned, if I have pardoned any thing, for your sakes have I done it in the person of Christ.

¹¹ That we be not overreached by Satan. For we are not ignorant of his devices.

[<MADDOG>]

[Rucker61]

What did Jesus have to say about men and women?

[ringhilt]

If you want to have a serious discussion about who gets to vote, forget about owning land, forget about any religious principles. The right to vote should come down to who has responsibilities in society and who does not.
Men have rightfully earned their right to vote by being productive members of society who also have obligations to society. Women were given their right to vote without any obligations to society. Men are required (by law and social convention) to man up and take care of their spouse and/or any children they father. Women do not have this mandatory obligation. Women have options. Their body, their choice. Men are required by law to register for the draft at age 18. Women are not. Men get drafted during war time, women do not. Women have options. This is not to say women do not contribute greatly to society. They do. But, women simply do not have the same obligations and responsibilities as men. Society bends over backwards to help women at every turn with affirmative action, shelters, job assistance. Even social convention says we are required to help women. Its women and children first. When the Titanic went down and there were not enough life boats. Who were the majority of deaths? Men.

When women cowgirl up and take on the same responsibilities and obligations as men, then absolutely YES, give them the right to vote. I know and work with many women that will make smart choices and provide a different viewpoint from my own. The feminine side of things. But women need to have skin in the game just as men do in order to vote.

I would even extend this to those who are on public assistance. For the year(s) you are on public assistance you do not get to vote at all. When you get off public assistance, you get your right to vote back. why you may ask? Well if you are on public assistance what are you going to vote for? More money from the public treasury.
If we restricted voting to those who have responsibilities and obligations to society we wouldn't have so much of this bleeding heart liberal crap. Those with skin in the game will carefully consider their votes and what direction they steer the country. Those who receive largess from the government dole will invariably vote for more largess from the government. And once they outnumber the productive class, it is a death spiral into oblivion.
And we might just be there already.

My $1.02 worth.

[Rucker61]

If you want to have a serious discussion about who gets to vote, forget about owning land, forget about any religious principles. The right to vote should come down to who has responsibilities in society and who does not.
Men have rightfully earned their right to vote by being productive members of society who also have obligations to society. Women were given their right to vote without any obligations to society. Men are required (by law and social convention) to man up and take care of their spouse and/or any children they father. Women do not have this mandatory obligation. Women have options. Their body, their choice. Men are required by law to register for the draft at age 18. Women are not. Men get drafted during war time, women do not. Women have options. This is not to say women do not contribute greatly to society. They do. But, women simply do not have the same obligations and responsibilities as men. Society bends over backwards to help women at every turn with affirmative action, shelters, job assistance. Even social convention says we are required to help women. Its women and children first. When the Titanic went down and there were not enough life boats. Who were the majority of deaths? Men.

When women cowgirl up and take on the same responsibilities and obligations as men, then absolutely YES, give them the right to vote. I know and work with many women that will make smart choices and provide a different viewpoint from my own. The feminine side of things. But women need to have skin in the game just as men do in order to vote.

I would even extend this to those who are on public assistance. For the year(s) you are on public assistance you do not get to vote at all. When you get off public assistance, you get your right to vote back. why you may ask? Well if you are on public assistance what are you going to vote for? More money from the public treasury.
If we restricted voting to those who have responsibilities and obligations to society we wouldn't have so much of this bleeding heart liberal crap. Those with skin in the game will carefully consider their votes and what direction they steer the country. Those who receive largess from the government dole will invariably vote for more largess from the government. And once they outnumber the productive class, it is a death spiral into oblivion.
And we might just be there already.

My $1.02 worth.

Jerry Pournelle, science fiction writer, stated it more simply: if you pay taxes, you vote.

[davsel]

so, using your example lets just make it, only men who own land can vote.

and to be further exclusionary, lets say you must own over 1 acre. i know most of you are sitting on 1/4 acre lots or less.

It certainly would have prevented the welfare state we have come to live in.

[<MADDOG>]

so, using your example lets just make it, only men who own land can vote.

and to be further exclusionary, lets say you must own over 1 acre. i know most of you are sitting on 1/4 acre lots or less.

Guys; I think you need to read it a little deeper, John Adams was for everyone voting... He is merely proposing a counter argument; if you allow male non-property owners (they too are subservient) to vote, why not women...

[davsel]

Guys; I think you need to read it a little deeper, John Adams was for everyone voting... He is merely proposing a counter argument; if you allow male non-property owners (they too are subservient) to vote, why not women...

Umm, No, John Adams was for property owners to vote, and for more people to own property in order to vote.
As far as Women voting, here is a letter he wrote to his wife on the subject:

From: http://www.masshist.org/education/re...ing-Rights.pdf

Letter from John Adams to Abigail Adams, 14 April 1776 [excerpt]
Ap. 14, 1776 [Philadelphia]


[. . .] As to Declarations of Independency, be patient. Read our Privateering Laws, and
our Commercial Laws. What signifies a Word.

As to your extraordinary Code of Laws, I cannot but laugh. We have been told that our
Struggle has loosened the bands of Government every where. That Children and
Apprentices were disobedient -- that schools and Colledges were grown turbulent -- that
Indians slighted their Guardians and Negroes grew insolent to their Masters.
But your Letter was the first Intimation that another Tribe more numerous and powerfull
than all the rest were grown discontented. -- This is rather too coarse a Compliment but
you are so saucy, I wont blot it out.

Depend upon it, We know better than to repeal our Masculine systems. Altho they are in
full Force, you know they are little more than Theory. We dare not exert our Power in its
full Latitude. We are obliged to go fair, and softly, and in Practice you know We are the
subjects. We have only the Name of Masters, and rather than give up this, which would
compleatly subject Us to the Despotism of the Peticoat, I hope General Washington, and
all our brave Heroes would fight.

Letter from John Adams to Abigail Adams, 14 April 1776 [electronic edition]. Adams Family Papers: An
Electronic Archive. Massachusetts Historical Society. http://www.masshist.org/digitaladams/

[centrarchidae]

Maybe, but once USDA starts writing checks and BLM starts leasing grazing land at a quarter of the free-market rate, they ain't exactly limited-government people anymore.

it would have put the brakes on the liberalism too. i dont personally know any liberal ranchers or farmers. Im not saying they dont exist, but I never met one in 40+ years. Also, I have never met a rancher or farmer who listens to rap or wear skinny jeans, so there maybe some extra benefits too.