Repeal the 19th Amendment

[Jamnanc]

Have you ever played poker without using something of value as bets? It's not much fun because without skin in the game, most people play like idiots.

[davsel]

so, using your example lets just make it, only men who own land can vote.

and to be further exclusionary, lets say you must own over 1 acre. i know most of you are sitting on 1/4 acre lots or less.

It certainly would have prevented the welfare state we have come to live in.

[<MADDOG>]

Excellent point.
It amazes me how many people today deny that the United States (Constitution) was founded on religious principles - While at the same time singing praises to our founding fathers. History escapes most.

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06.html

Umm, where do you see that in that language he is supporting your argument in regards in to women's rights? Spin much?

And while most of the founding fathers were indeed religious, they too knew history; which is why there is no mention of religion in the Constitution with the exception of the 1st Amendment, which pretty much nullifies your comment...

I am under the impression by your posts that you are predisposed to your beliefs, regardless of facts that may counter them; so I'll end it here before I expend any more of my time.

[<MADDOG>]

so, using your example lets just make it, only men who own land can vote.

and to be further exclusionary, lets say you must own over 1 acre. i know most of you are sitting on 1/4 acre lots or less.

Guys; I think you need to read it a little deeper, John Adams was for everyone voting... He is merely proposing a counter argument; if you allow male non-property owners (they too are subservient) to vote, why not women...

[davsel]

Guys; I think you need to read it a little deeper, John Adams was for everyone voting... He is merely proposing a counter argument; if you allow male non-property owners (they too are subservient) to vote, why not women...

Umm, No, John Adams was for property owners to vote, and for more people to own property in order to vote.
As far as Women voting, here is a letter he wrote to his wife on the subject:

From: http://www.masshist.org/education/re...ing-Rights.pdf

Letter from John Adams to Abigail Adams, 14 April 1776 [excerpt]
Ap. 14, 1776 [Philadelphia]


[. . .] As to Declarations of Independency, be patient. Read our Privateering Laws, and
our Commercial Laws. What signifies a Word.

As to your extraordinary Code of Laws, I cannot but laugh. We have been told that our
Struggle has loosened the bands of Government every where. That Children and
Apprentices were disobedient -- that schools and Colledges were grown turbulent -- that
Indians slighted their Guardians and Negroes grew insolent to their Masters.
But your Letter was the first Intimation that another Tribe more numerous and powerfull
than all the rest were grown discontented. -- This is rather too coarse a Compliment but
you are so saucy, I wont blot it out.

Depend upon it, We know better than to repeal our Masculine systems. Altho they are in
full Force, you know they are little more than Theory. We dare not exert our Power in its
full Latitude. We are obliged to go fair, and softly, and in Practice you know We are the
subjects. We have only the Name of Masters, and rather than give up this, which would
compleatly subject Us to the Despotism of the Peticoat, I hope General Washington, and
all our brave Heroes would fight.

Letter from John Adams to Abigail Adams, 14 April 1776 [electronic edition]. Adams Family Papers: An
Electronic Archive. Massachusetts Historical Society. http://www.masshist.org/digitaladams/

[<MADDOG>]

Davesl - My last and final comment to you: I suggest you read "Founding America-Documents from the Revolution to the Bill of Rights" before taking one snippet out of one of the many letters between John Adams and his wife.

As many men do, he was using his wife as not only a sounding board, but also for another point of view...And proposed to her the very same arguments he would hear in response to allowing women equal rights.

[davsel]

Davesl - My last and final comment to you: I suggest you read "Founding America-Documents from the Revolution to the Bill of Rights" before taking one snippet out of one of the many letters between John Adams and his wife.

As many men do, he was using his wife as not only a sounding board, but also for another point of view...And proposed to her the very same arguments he would hear in response to allowing women equal rights.

Doubt it.

I suggest you follow the link I posted in my last comment to you. It contains much more than the snippet I posted.
Fact is, you are completely wrong on what John Adams advocated concerning voting rights in the new Republic.

You have the greatest tool for knowledge literally at your finger-tips.
People need to question everything they were force-fed in public school and use the internet to re-learn history.

[skullybones]

Doubt it.

People need to question everything they were force-fed in public school and use the internet to re-learn history.

Do you think before you type?

[Rucker61]

Do you think ?

FIFY. Willing to bet he isn't married, either.

[muddywings]

I can't view this at work but I think this is what you are looking for: http://www.kontraband.com/videos/124...omens-suffrage