Nidal Hasan Found Guilty on all charges for Ft Hood Shooting

[stoner01]

*LIKE*

[hurley842002]

Well said Burt!

[HoneyBadger]

Islam is a religion. It's no more of a terrorist organization than Christianity (which also went on a murdering spree of everyone who wouldn't convert, a few times)

There's a distinct difference between "Christianity" and "Catholicism".

Interested to hear about this distinction. Do you just mean than all Catholics are Christians, while not all Christians are Catholics?

Well if he went through the trouble of getting all the way to Major before pulling this off, that was quite the long con..

We should probably kill off all the other religions as well to make sure this doesn't happen again.

Did you read the MotherJones article? Communist authors aside, Hasan has been communicating with Al-Qaeda for years and planning his attack since just after he got out of med school. He was reprimanded several times for behavioral problems and given additional counseling and supervision while working at Walter Reed. He was a major because he commissioned as a Captain after med school.

Like Catholic priests and young boys?

Did you have a vendetta against Christianity or what? The number of Catholic Priests who chose to become sexually abuse minors is only a mere fraction of all Catholic Priests, and is a much smaller ratio when compared to the rest of society. They received all the attention because everyone expects Priests to be perfect, but they are still human and are still vulnerable to sin.

(There have been almost 1 million Priests, Deacons, Brothers, Sisters, and Seminarians in the US since 1950 (conservatively assuming an average of 20 years of service as an ordained minister and according to these stats: http://cara.georgetown.edu/CARAServi...urchstats.html), and according to bishopaccountability.org, since 1950, 6275 have been accused of sexually abusing a minor. Low estimates assert that .08% of all priests have committed sexual abuse of a minor and high estimates put the percentage at .6%. The Annual Review of Clinical Psychology review of pedophilia and ephebophilia estimates that as much as 12% of the American male population has pedophilia or ephebophilia. Putting that into perspective, 1 in 8 men you encounter in your day-to-day life are [statistically] pedophiles or ephebophiles. Looking back at Catholic Priests, somewhere between 1 in 166 (on the high side) or 1 in 1250 (on the low side) are pedophiles or ephebophiles.)

As for your opinions about the crusades, try doing some reading from a legitimate source: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm

Warning: History Lesson Is Coming:
The Crusades were a poorly guided attempt to unify Christians, end wars between Christian rulers, take back Christian Holy Lands (such as Jerusalem), and then eventually to free oppressed Christians who were engulfed in the escapades of warlords who were in direct conflict with the Pope, but falsely operating under the Papal flag. Constantinople was captured by French Knights who were not acting under the authority of the Church. In battered efforts to make peace, Pope Innocent III began bargaining with rulers around the Roman and Byzantine Empires, who then tried to make their own profit. Obviously, this peace effort failed, and it wasn't until the late 13th century that "crusade" became a political move more than a religious rejoining as regional rulers saw no profit in aiding the Church's efforts. The Crusades ended when Kelaoun, leader of the Mohammedans, broke the truce which he had concluded with the Christians and seized Margat which was shortly followed by the surrender and loss of all Christian towns in Syria and what is present day Israel.



BOOM! FACTS!

[HoneyBadger]

Hasan got his medical degree in 2003 and was commissioned as a captain. He had only been promoted to major 6 months before the shooting in 2009. Coworkers expressed concern about his "anti-American" views during his internship and residency at Walter Reed. In plain effing English, the man showed his extremism years ago and should have been kicked out long before the shooting. The fact he wasn't appears to me to be prima facie evidence of the culture of political correctness and frankly anti-Americanism that is becoming embedded in the DC elite.

The fact you either don't know about this or don't care just shows either your ignorance or the depths of your liberalism ... (admittedly, that statement is rather redundant).

Awww I guess I should have read page 3 before I typed my novel... Looks like Aloha beat me to the punch on this one.

Look at the foundations of the religion.

Christian foundations are laid out in the Bible. The Bible says nothing of killing non-believers as a practice to achieve salvation.

Muslim foundations are laid out in the Quran. The Quran says a lot about enslaving and killing non-believers as a practice to achieve salvation.

In my opinion, Westboro's behavior directly conflicts with the teachings of Christ.

Absolutely right! Look at all Christian nations and study their cultural standards. Then take a look at all Islamic nations and study their cultural standards. Christian countries resound with liberty, individual rights, love, tolerance, and acceptance. Islamic nations resound with war, death, oppression and suppression, no liberty, no equality, etc. Not exactly what I would consider "civilized".

Westboro is a story all on its own... I would not consider them Christian, but I'm not the judge.

Not suddenly. Look up incrementalism. As an example look at the way the liberals have been nibbling away at our gun rights. And property rights. And other rights. You can also look at England and what they are doing in Europe.

Any free, tolerant society is self destructive in the end because it lets those that don't believe in freedom achieve power.

If you can't see this happening all around us, try connecting to the internet and taking a look around...

[Gman]

Interested to hear about this distinction. Do you just mean than all Catholics are Christians, while not all Christians are Catholics?

Not all Christians are Catholics. There is no membership or denomination required to become a Christian. There are tenants within the Catholic church that don't follow with Christianity, so I can understand why some have referred to it as a cult.

The Catholic church has a well documented history of attempting conversion by the sword or even torture.

The Crusades were ordered by the Pope, not Christ. The Bible speaks nothing of this type of "authority of the Church". The Biblical New Testament "church" are the believers in Christ, not a sect, denomination, or building.

ETA: I found this to be a pretty straight-forward Biblical approach to the "authority of the Church";

[HoneyBadger]

Not all Christians are Catholics. There is no membership or denomination required to become a Christian. There are tenants within the Catholic church that don't follow with Christianity, so I can understand why some have referred to it as a cult.

The Catholic church has a well documented history of attempting conversion by the sword or even torture.

The Crusades were ordered by the Pope, not Christ. The Bible speaks nothing of this type of "authority of the Church". The Biblical New Testament "church" are the believers in Christ, not a sect, denomination, or building.

ETA: I found this to be a pretty straight-forward Biblical approach to the "authority of the Church";

Lol don't want to get too crazy off topic here, but since I brought it there and there doesn't seem to be much more to say about the piece of sh!t Hasan, Please explain what "tenants within the Catholic Church" don't follow Christianity?

The Catholic Church, created by Christ Himself, IS the Christian Church. Am I wrong?

[Gman]

The Catholic Church, created by Christ Himself, IS the Christian Church. Am I wrong?

I don't want to take this too far off topic, but it's Catholic Doctrine that says Christ founded the church. There is nothing in the Bible about Catholicism or its structure.

This may touch a nerve for you.

What part of Christ's teachings would have led to the Dark Ages?

[theGinsue]

While this course of conversation is interesting, it has a great potential to blow up into arguments and hostilities.

We went from discussing Nidal Hasan to Islam to the differences in the various forms of Christianity.

As such, let's immediately turn around and get back onto the OP topic or we'll have to shut it down.

Thanks for your cooperation.

[Gman]

I apologize that the moral equivalency argument took us off the primary subject.

[Gman]

Video: http://video.foxnews.com/v/264747282...-as-terrorism/
Lawmakers push to reclassify Ft. Hood shooting as terrorism

I couldn't find this in print, but we are not alone in this act of terrorism being labeled as "workplace violence"