Take back the schools-Take back our nation.

[SG1]

Lets be honest, our schools are a failure at best, and taxpayer funded indoctrination centers at worst, What kids learn in schools shape them, and for too long they have been filled with moronic feel good ideals, and not values and knowledge..

If we could take back our schools, by kicking out the teachers unions, the failing teachers, and bring in school vouchers, chatter schools, we can end the cycle of low information, apathy, the ignorance of our founding culture and values.with a better education we can end the cycle of poverty with created generation after generation of Democrats.

So what is your take on this?

How can this be done? How do we get School vouchers throughout a state?

[roberth]

You have a couple of things standing in the way.

1. Parents - alot of parents do not give their children priority, after all they are paying the government to raise their children through the school system and the government knows best
2. Teachers Union - incredibly powerful, maybe the most powerful union in the country
3. Sloth of the parents - do not underestimate the laziness of parents, it is easier for them to be the child's friend instead of doing the difficult job of parenting
4. Irresponsibility - parents exhibit this trait by their willingness to use the government to force others to pay for the education of their children.

Currently the only solution is home schooling, but it takes a ton of work and the family won't be able to buy a new Yukon every other year with only 1 paycheck.

People do not understand that raising children is a tremendous blessing and an enormous sacrifice, people have to sacrifice their own aspirations (that Yukon I was talking about) for the good of the children and the family. Many people today don't appreciate the blessing nor do they set aside their own materialistic goals to benefit the family.

If any of the items I mentioned piss you off it is probably because you fit the description. Look in the mirror, look in your driveway, re-evaluate your involvement in your child's education.

[SG1]

You have a couple of things standing in the way.

1. Parents - alot of parents do not give their children priority, after all they are paying the government to raise their children through the school system and the government knows best
2. Teachers Union - incredibly powerful, maybe the most powerful union in the country
3. Sloth of the parents - do not underestimate the laziness of parents, it is easier for them to be the child's friend instead of doing the difficult job of parenting
4. Irresponsibility - parents exhibit this trait by their willingness to use the government to force others to pay for the education of their children.

Currently the only solution is home schooling, but it takes a ton of work and the family won't be able to buy a new Yukon every other year with only 1 paycheck.

People do not understand that raising children is a tremendous blessing and an enormous sacrifice, people have to sacrifice their own aspirations (that Yukon I was talking about) for the good of the children and the family. Many people today don't appreciate the blessing nor do they set aside their own materialistic goals to benefit the family.

If any of the items I mentioned piss you off it is probably because you fit the description. Look in the mirror, look in your driveway, re-evaluate your involvement in your child's education.

I dont have kids(yet but will when I am in a career and have the means to do so..and a wife) I just see it as the mean to take but this nation if we take away the next crop of kids to be brain washed the left will be doomed.....

So we all need to suffer for their stupidity and apathy?

[dirtrulz]

I would personally go for the online schooling. At least a parent could basically sit in on the class and see what is being taught to their children. At least for the early grades where children seem to start forming opinions based on what they are told. Or find a district that teaches they way you want and move into that district.

[BigBear]

I'll wait a while until more responses are involved... but in the meantime: Get rid of the standardized tests, all the extraneous paperwork, the "goals" that have to be met, etc. Just let teachers TEACH. Re-instate spanking/discipline measures (ISS/alternative school is a joke, suspending a kid is a free vacation), responsibility, and free thought.

[68Charger]

I'll wait a while until more responses are involved... but in the meantime: Get rid of the standardized tests, all the extraneous paperwork, the "goals" that have to be met, etc. Just let teachers TEACH. Re-instate spanking/discipline measures (ISS/alternative school is a joke, suspending a kid is a free vacation), responsibility, and free thought.

I don't have any problem with standardized tests... But when funding is tied to the results, then you find out what the administration really cares about!

[BigBear]

I don't have any problem with standardized tests... But when funding is tied to the results, then you find out what the administration really cares about!

Yes, I should've been clearer. The test themselves is not the issue. It is the funding in relation to the test and how teachers must teach to the test (instead of rational thinking skills and general knowledge) in order to keep their job/credentials/performance pay/all the other crap.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Yes, I should've been clearer. The test themselves is not the issue. It is the funding in relation to the test and how teachers must teach to the test (instead of rational thinking skills and general knowledge) in order to keep their job/credentials/performance pay/all the other crap.

The NEA-approved curriculum doesn't have anything to do with teaching rational thinking skills or what we would call "general knowledge" either. At least the standardized tests make them spend time on stuff like math, English and actual history instead of why Heather Has Two Mommies or other sensitivity/diversity BS. I'd rather have teacher teach to a test that at least verifies basic skills than have kids indoctrinated by more of the PC diversity crap or junk science like carbon dioxide being an evil toxic chemical that should be regulated by the EPA.

[SG1]

The NEA-approved curriculum doesn't have anything to do with teaching rational thinking skills or what we would call "general knowledge" either. At least the standardized tests make them spend time on stuff like math, English and actual history instead of why Heather Has Two Mommies or other sensitivity/diversity BS. I'd rather have teacher teach to a test that at least verifies basic skills than have kids indoctrinated by more of the PC diversity crap or junk science like carbon dioxide being an evil toxic chemical that should be regulated by the EPA.

Amen I dont care about heather having two moms(unless they are bi and looking for a young stud)

How do we get out of this mess? short of the a economical collapse

[Rucker61]

At my kids' school, they take the standardized tests but they don't teach to them or care about them. Most of the teachers, if not all, don't have teaching degrees, nor are education credentials required. They are rated, however, despite these huge handicaps, as the number 15 high school in the country. I'm very happy this year.