Starbucks no longer allow customers with guns

[davsel]

There's your problem:

http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/...gative-effects

Soy Latte anyone? And a hug?

[Mick-Boy]

Pretty much echos my thoughts.

http://practicaltacticalpodcast.com/starbucks/


This Is Why We Cant Have Nice Things – Starbucks


by Admin on September 18, 2013
Well. We have done it.
I say we, as in the collective gun-owners and 2nd Amendment supporters/enthusiasts of this nation. We win together, and we loose together.
Last week, we shared a major victory in Colorado with the recall of two anti-gun politicians. Thats our Win.
This week, we have finally forced Starbucks to choose a side in the great gun debate. All the sabre rattling, and “starbucks appreciation days” and open carry foolishness we could throw at them. They finally made a decision.
Good Job. Well done. We have “educated” them and their “liberal” customers who don’t particularly share our views and affinity for all things that go bang.
The decision is in, and it is not in our favor. Starbucks has said that they do not wish to see “guns as a part of the Starbucks experience.” We have educated them to the point that they would prefer we just go away…or at least leave them out of it. They have said that they will not ask anyone open-carrying to leave, nor will they post signs regarding the policy. Frankly, I wish they would. I hope the “activists” have the intestinal fortitude to respect their wishes…but I’m not holding my breath based on how they have acted in the past. Calling for a boycott is weak-sauce, too.
We have essentially forced neutral Switzerland into the hands of the Nazis. A company that was not restrictive in their corporate policy. A company who followed local law. We forced them onto the national stage– without consulting them about it, I might add– and into the center of a rather divisive debate. Replete with “I Love Guns and Coffee” patches and t-shirts and mugs and all sorts of other cute little trinkets.

Instead of quietly supporting a company through the purchase of their product to show your appreciation, you just had to load up an AR, AK, or shotgun or put on that fancy “tactical” drop leg holster, call all of your gun-guy friends to meet you there, and march into the place to “Make a statement” and “educate” people on our rights.

You had to throw that rifle on your back, knowing damn good and well you were going to cause a scene. If you DIDNT know you were going to cause a scene, you’re an idiot when you consider the multiple “active killer/mass murder” incidents of very recent notoriety. You have allowed those of us who choose to be smart regarding these matters to get a black eye from society and, you are directly responsible for allowing the left a small victory.
The attention-whoreness of it all is rather disturbing.

My guess is that you are the same ones who only carry when you are trying to bait a cop or ruffle feathers or trying to “educate” people….well, you did. Congratulations. (P.S. Of the eleventy-billion videos of seen on YouTube wherein folks of your ilk try to “educate” cops on the law, Ive seen about 5 that were legitimate)
Don’t complain now because the company had to make a business decision to make their customers and workers feel more comfortable and/or safe. Remember that YOU are responsible. YOU forced their hand. YOU are the reason they made this choice.
We have turned the debate into a joke. Yes, we are all responsible.
Whether youre an (A) “in your face activist” as previously mentioned, or a (B) gun owner who doesnt agree with them but remains silent and thereby complicit, we are all responsible. Own it.
Personally I fall into the latter category (B). I think the first category are a bunch of fools, and open carry is a piss-poor method of carry outside of a few distinct instances. I have remained silent on the issue, but that ends today. I don’t want to be represented as a gun owner by those who choose to act as those described above. A tactical victory is never worth a strategic defeat. In the end this has hurt us in a battle where we are making progress. If we dont “eat our own” and correct these issues, the OTHER SIDE will. We have lost ground due to tomfoolery, chicanery, and general shenanigans. If we don’t get on the same page, we will continue to give up ground.
Much like how we get irritated when the “not terrorist” muslims dont come out and outright condemn muslim terrorist acts and organizations…we are taking the same track by not raising the bullshit flag when we ought to. We have to police our own. No successful organization, entity, or cause embraces personnel or spokesmen who damage the image and value of the brand.
There is strong precedent that responsible activism, grassroots campaigns, and legal processes can make a tangible difference. Just ask two former Colorado politicians. Ask our Founding Fathers. Ask any number of successful organizations or causes.
And now the internet comes to life on the topic. There are alot of ”scuffles” and debates going on about how Starbucks is wrong to take this stance, or how we (gun owners) shouldn’t “eat our own” with regards to the fools who just have to “educate the public” with their open carrying of guns, and treating them as if they were nothing more than a high end fashion accessory. Still others say that while they dont disagree with Starbuck’s policy, they dont like being “lumped in” with “those guys” — talking about the aforementioned “educators and keepers of liberty”
One internet poster said: “I never believed Starbucks was an ally anyway.” I would say he may be right. They weren’t. They are an outfit that sells coffee. Period. They just had a policy that wasn’t restrictive, and followed local law. They were unwillingly and unwittingly co-opted by the “rabid gun movement” people, and literally thrust on the national stage in the midst of a highly charged debate without their consultation on the matter.
This is why we can’t have nice things.
Don’t blame Starbucks, and don’t blame liberals. Blame stupid gun owners.
Look in the mirror, own it, give yourself a pep-talk, and go fix it.
Practical takeaway: Just because you CAN doesn’t always mean you SHOULD.

[10mm-man]

i had no idea that dumbasses were carrying long guns in starbucks. fucking morons.

wait where is Gman?

lol... This^^^

[sellersm]

So glad our Founding Fathers didn't think the way that some folks in this thread do... Add Rosa Parks to that list, and others that 'stood out' and 'stood up' for rights.

It's like this: use a dam as an analogy. Our Nation, faltering as it is, still has the 'walls of the dam' intact (Constitutional Rights). There is increasing water pressure (libs trying to 'change things') to force the dam to change (break, move out of the way, etc.). What does (or can) the dam do to mitigate the pressure so it won't break? I'm pretty sure that just 'standing there and doing nothing' isn't a very effective option, especially if the water pressure continues to increase! Those who are in support of the fundamentals of this Nation (the dam), must do something to mitigate the risk of breakage by the constantly increasing water pressure!

Conservatives are usually their own worst enemy: "just leave me alone and let me live my life", they say, and rightly so, that's what makes us free people. However, in the face of continually increase 'pressure' from the opposition, just 'being left alone' doesn't prevent the dam from breaking...

Just my thoughts.

[dan512]

Mick, nice article. There is a difference between exercising your rights like a responsible adult, and rubbing shit in people's faces.
Agreed, this is why we can't have nice things.

[UrbanWolf]

West Drake.

Go there with empty holster visable now.

[Rucker61]

Go there with empty holster visable now.

And then wait until someone notices, then stand up in a panic and start looking all around where I was sitting, and then leave in a hurry without saying anything.

[Dave_L]

i had no idea that dumbasses were carrying long guns in starbucks. fucking morons.

They pay $5+ for a cup of coffee...what did you expect?

[ChunkyMonkey]

Think like it this way: Pizza Hut no longer allow customer carry guns, no problem, they are private business. Bufflo Wild Wings no longer allow customer carry guns, no problem, they are private business. Starbucks no longer allow customer carry guns, still no problem, they are private business... Then what? McDonald, Burger King, Gunther Today's.....

Are we really going to tolerant to the point when we can't carry our guns anywhere expect our own basements?

You should join the occupy movement as this is their mentality.

Since you believe we need to draw line in the sand, do you think they should be forced to allow open carry, then will hobby lobby be forced to accept obama care and its abortion mandate? Chic fil a should be forced to donate to LGBT foundation? Should all gov funded hospitals required to perform abortion? Should the big brother passes and enforces more laws in our private enterprises???

Like I said, you have the right to boycott, but when your right is infringing others, its no longer your right.

Open carry in the public all you want... When it comes to private entity, he/she/it has the final say. As much as I disagree, I respect their wishes.

[kawiracer14]

I wear this all the time. Haven't been to a SB in over a year.

Dunkin's is fucking terrible coffee.