Devil's Advocate: What is wrong with the ACA?

[Ridge]

Well, you have complete command of the powers of the logical fallacies of non sequitur and strawman.

Not to mention you've done the usual rhetorical trick of conflating health care insurance and health care. I submit to you that you don't understand the topic of discussion.

I never said to give them healthcare. I said so they can afford to buy it. Nice job substituting my words for those that fit your prepared argument.

[<MADDOG>]

What about an infant born with a disease or disorder? Should they never be able to afford healthcare? Should they just be forced to die?

My argument; it is not my responsibility to take care of someone else's kid, or anyone else for that matter.

Ridge, you are a closet progressive aren't ya?

[rondog]

I think the important question here is, "Ridge, WTF is wrong with you?" Did you fall and hit your head or something? Got a fever?

[spqrzilla]

Nope, you continue to play rhetoric games, Ridge. I am not going to fall for it.

Here's the bottom line: PPACA is already a failure. Its costing twice what was predicted, it has "insured" only a small fraction of the people predicted and its killing jobs.

[rondog]

It's wrong. It's evil. It's totally unnecessary and uncalled for. The American People don't want it. Nobody asked for it. It's the goddamn Socialists trying to take over even more control of us all and interject themselves into an even bigger part of our lives! IT'S FUCKING WRONG!

[Ridge]

I've heard that it's double planned cost, but can you source it? Can you name a government program in the last 50 years that hasn't gone drastically over budget?

[<MADDOG>]

Cost is a non-issue as long as we print our own fiat currency, or so thinks our government. But that genie WILL be put back into his bottle sometime in the future...

[avandelay]

Given that the NSA is allowed to way overstep the bounds set forth in their Charter, given that the IRS seems to be a partisan arm of the Executive branch, given that every entitlement program the Gov't runs turns into a major monetary sinkhole, do you really trust the Gov't to follow through with all of the promises of the ACA? Consider this. The ACA was sold as a plan to cover those that can't afford coverage under the guise that everyone pays into the system to reduce overall cost. Since those that can't afford coverage are now covered (by tax credits that still come out the collective pockets of 50% of the workers) then our costs should go significantly down, but year over year they're doing the opposite. Premiums and taxes are both going up and coverage is going down so we end up with a triple hit to pay for this. It does not seem that the ACA was primarily designed to cover those that can't afford it (there will be millions not covered under ACA), it was designed to redistribute monies from the haves to the have nots under the force of law and give everyone a less than optimum level of medical coverage.

[Gman]

ACA does make it so someone can't be denied coverage due to pre existing conditions, which it's one of the few things in it that I agree with.

This was already in place and was not instituted by Obamacare.

You buy insurance before you need it. To not buy car insurance and then decide to have an accident covered by buying insurance after the fact, is just plain stupid. The insurance companies that did such a thing would quickly go under.

If someone has the means to pay for their own healthcare, why should they be forced to pay into a program that they don't need? The only answer is another redistribution of wealth scheme.

[Bailey Guns]

I guess I'm not buying the premise in the OP that you're playing "devil's advocate". I'm guessing that you're actually all for Obamacare and you're kind of looking for some validation. I also agree with spqrzilla...you really don't understand several terms, among them "health care", "health insurance" and "socialism" and you don't have a grasp of what the ACA will actually do to our economy.

There are millions of pages of discussion by experts on both sides of the issue available on the net. At this point, I can't imagine someone looking at the arguments objectively and coming to the conclusion that Obamacare is a good thing for anyone. Yes, anyone.