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    And BTW, Ridge...when an infant is born with some sort of serious issue there are already insurance/health care options in place without Obamacare. They're called SSI and Medicaid. No baby born with some sort of disease or disorder is going to be "forced to die". That's a progressive/liberal talking point that's simply - as is normally the case with progressive/liberal talking points - a lie meant to elicit a strong emotional response from people who are too lazy to research facts.

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    I've heard that it's double planned cost, but can you source it? Can you name a government program in the last 50 years that hasn't gone drastically over budget?
    Right. So we just shouldn't worry about the cost because all government programs are over budget. That sounds like a really good plan to get us into the fiscal mess we're in now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridge View Post
    Unions don't make up 53% of the population, which is what got Obama reelected. That's like saying the NRA is responsible for Morse being recalled.

    You've avoided my issues with the IRS having control over ACA 2X now. By doing so, you discredit any credibility you thought you had. Address the IRS side, or cease your counter arguments.
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    The best government is less government.

    The ACA is movement in the wrong direction IMO. I fear a country where the citizens are wholly dependent on what the government can do for them. The ACA is a step toward single payer, which is what the progressive movement is moving us toward. Once the insurance industry is destroyed and health care is completely regulated by government, the next step will be total control of health care.

    If you want to see government provided health care first hand in the USA, check out the VA or the Bureau of Prisons. No thank you.

    There are very few things the government can do as efficiently and quickly as private industry. This is why the government uses almost as many contractors to do it's work as they use government employees.

    IMO government is a cancer on a free society. We either get it under control or it will kill the nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridge View Post
    What about an infant born with a disease or disorder? Should they never be able to afford healthcare? Should they just be forced to die?

    WELL FUK ME Ridge FINALLY use "the children" card. Either you are another of those "sensible" gun owners, I've read about. OR someone's hacked your account.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstone View Post
    I fear a country where the citizens are wholly dependent on what the government can do for them. The ACA is a step toward single payer, which is what the progressive movement is moving us toward. Once the insurance industry is destroyed and health care is completely regulated by government, the next step will be total control of health care.

    If you want to see government provided health care first hand in the USA, check out the VA or the Bureau of Prisons. No thank you.

    There are very few things the government can do as efficiently and quickly as private industry. This is why the government uses almost as many contractors to do it's work as they use government employees.

    IMO government is a cancer on a free society. We either get it under control or it will kill the nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jim View Post
    You've avoided my issues with the IRS having control over ACA 2X now. By doing so, you discredit any credibility you thought you had. Address the IRS side, or cease your counter arguments.
    +1

    I think Ridge just wanted to start shit this morning, because he only responds to certain counter-arguments and not others!

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    Bailey Guns, since I have clients who have a two year who was born with very serious conditions, and I've been spending the last two years helping them deal with the financial consequences, I'm afraid that Ridge's statement of his ignorance on the topic of the care of that child angered me so much that I didn't comment earlier.
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    The LA Times, well known for its obsessive obsequiousness with respect to all things Obama, tells us that these wonderful Obamacare exchange plans seem to be missing .... oh, doctors:

    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...,2814725.story
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    Ridge,

    You've been torturing people in GTA5 for a few days now and just came here to vent?

    Fess up.
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    Ridge and I shared a few good laughs today at work. Well done troll good sir well done...

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