Devil's Advocate: What is wrong with the ACA?

[jerrymrc]

Just checking back again to see how it is going.

[68Charger]

I'd point out that there is a complete lack of reliable sources cited in this "argument", but the last thing I want to do on a Sunday I don't have to work is read a bunch of boring crap about health care mandates...

[Ridge]

Is this where you get the idea that the government is to provide for the general welfare. If so I think you have it wrong.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the generalWelfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

I read it as We The People establish a Constitution to ensure the rights of The People and to LIMIT the GOVERNMENT.

Well you can read it however you want. It's how the Supreme Court reads it that matters.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

This should make sense to you as well. Sell your guns pony boy. The government will ensure your safety from this point forward.

[Aloha_Shooter]

In the first place, the Preamble is pretty clear English regardless of how lawyers like Elena Kagan have twisted the actual text of the Constitution. The Preamble states why the Founders ordained and established the Constitution and I can easily argue that limiting federal power is in fact one of the foundations of the Constitution that promotes the General Welfare (as well as securing the blessings of Liberty). Nearly every time the federal government pushes its power beyond the powers established under the actual text, it creates a less perfect Union, violates Justice, undermines domestic Tranquility, threatens the General Welfare and slaps Liberty full in the face.

Well you can read it however you want. It's how the Supreme Court reads it that matters.

... and I suppose you felt this way with respect to the Dred Scott v. Sandford decision or Kelo vs. City of New London? For that matter, given your political persuasions, I suppose you were telling the Democrats to shut up in 2001 and just approve Bush's cabinet appointments instead of tying them up into the summer because the SCUSA had rendered its ruling in Bush v. Gore? Where's your letter telling Obama and Holder to shut up because the SCUSA made its ruling in Citizen United v. Federal Election Commission? I happen to think the SCUSA made the right ruling in the latter two but given what you just said, you must consider their opinion inviolate, right?

[mountainjenny]

No, sorry, you're wrong. Under the ACA you'll be able to keep your current insurance plan and your doctor. Obama said so. Now run along and reduce your carbon footprint in a meaningful way.

I'll get one of these.

[hatidua]

I suspect you could have started with that post and saved everyone a whole lot of effort trying to legitimately answer the original question. "Devils Advocate"? -not so much.

[Ridge]

Pretty fuckin hard to play devil's advocate when everyone you're talking with thinks they are 100% right and god is on their side and all the other bullshit I've seen on here.

[Bailey Guns]

I'm fucking sick of the mentality on this forum where if you don't run in lock step with the GOP that you are a card carrying socialist.

This is a message board for gun owners, not for Republicans.

Wow...you really haven't been paying attention. The only people that get bashed on this board more than cops are republicans.

[TEAMRICO]

Gee this was interesting until this..........Hey Ridge, Thak s for insulting ME. Now you may go FUCK YOURSELF you cry baby.

How about the mere fact that I DONT WANT IT?
Have you very considered that?
What an ass.









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