Devil's Advocate: What is wrong with the ACA?

[Bailey Guns]

Bailey Guns, since I have clients who have a two year who was born with very serious conditions, and I've been spending the last two years helping them deal with the financial consequences, I'm afraid that Ridge's statement of his ignorance on the topic of the care of that child angered me so much that I didn't comment earlier.

I'm sure that would be a nightmare for the child and parents for a lot of reasons, dealing with gov't bureaucracy included. I doubt Obamacare will improve anything.

[Ridge]

+1

I think Ridge just wanted to start shit this morning, because he only responds to certain counter-arguments and not others!

I've been doing this from my phone because I've been at work all fucking day. Sorry if I didn't get to you guys fast enough or didn't answer all your questions that I answered previously.

[Ridge]

Ridge,

You've been torturing people in GTA5 for a few days now and just came here to vent?

Fess up.

I fucking wish. I'm not about to pay for internet, pay for a console, pay for a game and then pay to use the game on the internet. I'll wait until it comes out for PC.

Instead I've been telling call center managers that their 3 people being unable to get into a program that they don't need to do their jobs is not a major crisis that requires an all hands call on a Saturday.

[Aloha_Shooter]

What is it that gets you guys riled up about the Affordable Care Act's individual mandate?

How about the fact that there's no provision in the Constitution that allows the Federal government to levy a mandate like that? How about the fact that the government makes EVERYTHING less efficient and more expensive? How about the fact that you have to be a bonehead without enough gray matter to provide friction for a kitchen match to buy this crap ... and I have quite a bit more gray matter than that?

[Aloha_Shooter]

The constitution also says the government is to provide for the general welfare of it's people.

... and by the way, that's the preamble which is there to say WHY we have a Constitution. There is nothing in the actual articles that gives this power or responsibility to the federal government and in fact the Tenth Amendment specifically preempts the federal government from assuming any powers over and above what was explicitly granted to it.

[Gman]

...and they've completely bastardized the interstate commerce clause to insert themselves into anything where money changes hands.

[mountainjenny]

F-"you can keep your current health plan and Dr." a lie that is already coming to fruition.

This just happened to me. My current plan is being discontinued. I can get a "new" plan from my insurance provider, which is really just my old plan (+ACA bullshit) with 4 times the cost, and/or I can enroll in the exchange and pick a new plan starting October 1, 2013.

I'm looking into other insurance providers now.

[Bailey Guns]

This just happened to me. My current plan is being discontinued. I can get a "new" plan from my insurance provider, which is really just my old plan (+ACA bullshit) with 4 times the cost, and/or I can enroll in the exchange and pick a new plan starting October 1, 2013.

I'm looking into other insurance providers now.

No, sorry, you're wrong. Under the ACA you'll be able to keep your current insurance plan and your doctor. Obama said so. Now run along and reduce your carbon footprint in a meaningful way.

[Skully]

All I got to add;

[wctriumph]

The constitution also says the government is to provide for the general welfare of it's people.

Is this where you get the idea that the government is to provide for the general welfare. If so I think you have it wrong.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the generalWelfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

I read it as We The People establish a Constitution to ensure the rights of The People and to LIMIT the GOVERNMENT.