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    Zombie Slayer Zundfolge's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnrider View Post
    I personally know many gun owners who support the BGC. I don't agree with them but they have the right to there opinion.
    I don't doubt there are SOME that support the BGC law (there's been Fudds for years), I just dispute that it's "many" (and clearly not "most") but even then there's a big difference between supporting a law in the abstract and fighting for a law. I would bet that most of those gun owners that support the law are not likely to march in the streets to keep it nor hold it against a politician that voted against it.

    The fight ain't over, but our side is a hell of a lot stronger than many here seem to think. Of course maybe this is how the once proud state of California fell ... not from the strength of the leftists but from the defeatism of the right. If I thought this fight couldn't be won I'd already be plastering the SLC, Boise and Coeur d'Alene areas with my resume and emailing realtors (and keep in mind I'm generally a pessimistic guy ... just ask my wife).
    Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".

    "Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.
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    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people."
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    A World Without Guns <- Great Read!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    The toughest one to repeal will be the UBGC law ... but even that isn't immune, lots of people hate it and its possible that the repeal of all the new gun laws will come down to a single bill.
    KDVR this morning is reporting 72 "criminals" were stopped from buying private firearms as a direct result of this law.
    Then they go on to say some aren't actually criminals but may have restraining orders, etc - but they are pimping UBGC as such wonderful progress.

    Not directed at you obviously Zunfolge, just as a note of what we are up against.
    I sort of hope we don't tie the magazines to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski View Post
    KDVR this morning is reporting 72 "criminals" were stopped from buying private firearms as a direct result of this law.
    Then they go on to say some aren't actually criminals but may have restraining orders, etc - but they are pimping UBGC as such wonderful progress.

    Not directed at you obviously Zunfolge, just as a note of what we are up against.
    I sort of hope we don't tie the magazines to it.
    And the overwhelming response I've seen from people to this "72 criminals stopped" news is laughter, sneering and rolled eyes.

    As for the magazines, I'd like to see it resolved by ballot initiative resulting in a constitutional amendment.
    Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".

    "Everything the State says is a lie, and everything it has it has stolen.
    -Friedrich Nietzsche

    "Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people."
    -Penn Jillette

    A World Without Guns <- Great Read!

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    Regarding universal background checks....

    Quote Originally Posted by UrbanWolf View Post
    If that's the case then national level it will go. Fuck it.
    Wasn't BHO advocating that earlier this year?

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