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    He voted to send the bill back to the House for revision. The House version wasn't going to happen. I believe his primary goal was to get the votes supporting the ACA on the record.

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/politi...,3939894.story
    Republicans in the House and Senate believe a do-over in the House could have better results, if they attach a healthcare provision that would be difficult for Democrats to oppose — such as a repeal of the new tax on medical device manufacturers that some Democrats dislike, or a delay of the individual mandate that all Americans carry health insurance in 2014.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusExMachina View Post
    And Cruz voted for the measure he was filibustering against.
    http://twitchy.com/2013/09/25/journa...ary-procedure/

    He was voting to schedule a cloture vote.

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    Anybody notice Mcsame embarrass himself again today? The people of AZ should be ashamed.

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    Yeah, I watched that RINO throw Ted right under the bus. McCain is a war hero, but a really lousy senator. Way too many times he joined with Teddy Kennedy to author legislation.

    The Dems would circle the wagons if one of theirs was caught on video murdering someone with smoking gun in-hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmleadr03 View Post
    Meh. Wants to be able to say he was just as hard core as Rand was when he runs against him for POTUS. That is really all this is about.
    Cruz can't run for POTUS, he was born in Canada.
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    Born to American parents, so he's still a natural born citizen. He's got more to stand on than Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UrbanWolf View Post
    Cruz can't run for POTUS, he was born in Canada.
    Canada is closer than Kenya ...let's give him a shot too
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyBadger View Post
    I don't care what happens in the primary as long at the GOP doesn't fuck over a legitimate candidate like they did to Ron Paul
    I'm not on board with this one.

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    To make clear my position, I am against the ACA in its entirety, though I do not approve of either dems or republicans threatening a shutdown of the gov't over its repeal. The over 40 times tried before failed to clear the senate, so it makes it seem more like grandstanding for his own personal and political gain to be doing this. It also has very publicly exposed rifts within the conservative ranks and could cause divides and infighting that have already cost conservatives at local, state and federal levels in the recent elections. I know most don't think it's a big deal for the gov't to shut down or for people to be furloughed, but the ones that are going to be in a nonpay status won't be Congress, POTUS, executive schedule employees, air traffic controllers or other higher paid people. The ones furloughed will be the park and forest rangers, clerks, accountants, Indian reservation teachers, people making in the 30k-50k range that will be impacted much harder than the "essential" air traffic controllers making 100k, or congressmen making 174k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    To make clear my position, I am against the ACA in its entirety, though I do not approve of either dems or republicans threatening a shutdown of the gov't over its repeal. The over 40 times tried before failed to clear the senate, so it makes it seem more like grandstanding for his own personal and political gain to be doing this. It also has very publicly exposed rifts within the conservative ranks and could cause divides and infighting that have already cost conservatives at local, state and federal levels in the recent elections. I know most don't think it's a big deal for the gov't to shut down or for people to be furloughed, but the ones that are going to be in a nonpay status won't be Congress, POTUS, executive schedule employees, air traffic controllers or other higher paid people. The ones furloughed will be the park and forest rangers, clerks, accountants, Indian reservation teachers, people making in the 30k-50k range that will be impacted much harder than the "essential" air traffic controllers making 100k, or congressmen making 174k.
    The specter of Government Shutdown is WAY overblown ... anyone furloughed during a gov shutdown gets back paid and most of them get help from their unions with short term problems like buying food and what not. The real criminal thing is that Dems will do more harm during a shutdown than they really need to because they want the people to "feel the pain" ... and then blame it on Republicans. Shameful. It's called The Washington Monument Ploy and we have GOT to stop falling for it.

    Anyway, the Federal Government has shut down 17 times before with no negative consequences to the people so to claim that a government shutdown is some awful, horrible, terribly painful thing is just bovine scat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gman View Post
    The Dems would circle the wagons if one of theirs was caught on video murdering someone with smoking gun in-hand.
    This is why we're where we are. A D gets in trouble and they circle the wagons, an R gets in trouble and they circle the firing squad.

    As for Cruz running for President, after this I think I'd rather see him stick around the Senate for a while ... maybe take Harry Ried's job if the Senate goes "R". At least I'd like to see him as a voice of conscience in the senate for real conservatives (someone has to fight McLame, Lindsay and the other RINO trash). Being President is highly over rated, the real power is in the legislature (especially for Republicans since no Republican president would be allowed to get away with 1/10th the shit Obummer has pulled).
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