Public School over-reach?

[Colorado_Outback]

Let me be clear, I am not defending GG daughters actions, it's not about that, it's about the school overstepping those boundaries on a situation that occurred away from school off property that is being addressed by the police and GG, that's the way is should work IMO. I alao know that opinions are like buttholes everybody's got one.

We can agree to disagree on that one. I just think that "its just a prank" and "kids will be kids" are BS excuses. Bullying is a real problem in this country.

Where is the line between "just a prank" and bullying?

What about this kid who was sodomized by his team mates? Was that all in good fun/part of being on the team?
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_2350599...victim-outcast

If thats what it takes to be one of the "cool" kids, ill pass.

[BigDee]

Son "17" had same girlfriend "17" for over 1 year, son leaves girlfriend. Girlfriend gets upset about being dumped and sprays nasty message on son's car at work with washable paint, son get pissed and files report with police. Son decides to drop complaint same day.. Cops say they can't because since they were in a relationship at one time, what ex did is considered DOMESTIC ABUSE. Cops go to girls house, she confesses and go's to Juvi, until she can be seen by a judge for domestic abuse charges. Things are not what they once were folks, its amazing what the consequences are now for what most of us would think is petty.

Honesty is not always the best policy in this day and age. My parents always told me to be honest with authorities and own up to what I did. I loved by those rules and the first time I got into trouble following those rules got me a much more severe punishment than keeping my
Mouth shut would have.

My children will be thought not to speak to authorities under any circumstance until they have spoken to mom and dad or mom and dad's attorney and one of them are present at the time they are speaking to authorities. It's the authorities job to twist facts and convince people to talk themselves into criminal charges regardless of actual guilt. "Hook me up and let the system figure it out."

[Neutron]

I don't have kids. My .02 is, if it was the coach that made the call for the one game suspension then that would be acceptable. They were on the same team and what not. To play as a team you have to think like a team. If it was the principal then the school is way over stepping its bounds. Not on school grounds, not during school hours, the kid SHOULD be the parents responsibility. If you want the state to take care for your kids move to California and keep voting for Finetsein.
Now I know there are 3 sides to every story. Yours, mine, and the truth. I'm calling dog wash on the stuff falling out. If the girl that was driving didn't put stuff in the back through the back hatch, there should have been nothing close enough to fall out if it came flying open. Does make you wonder what really happened. Doesn't really matter. The question was, Does the school have the right. I say no. Parent yes. Coach yes. Principal, no

[james_bond_007]

...Apparently, this girl was not running with the "in crowd" ...

^^^This phrase caught my attention.

(Correct me if I am reading to much into this ...)

It makes me think that the victim of the prank was, and has been, a sort of "outcast" on the team...somehow different...somehow that she did not "fit in", socially, at least in the eyes of the other teammates.

I would guess that this was probably not the first "prank" of which she had been the victim, that there had been other "incidents" prior to this, and the victim's parents had "had enough" by now.

I would guess that the victim's parents probably don't get along with the other parents and are also not in the parent "in" crowd,

I would guess that the team resented this girl being on the team and maybe felt the girl was "invading" their "clique".

I would guess that she "made the team" based on her abilities, but was ostracized by the teammates.

I would guess that the team was trying to make staying on the team "hard on the victim", to the point where she might eventually give up and quit.

I would guess that the coach/principal was aware of all this, and had to handle other "incidents of bullying by the team" prior to this.

I make all these "guesses" because I'll bet that if one of the other girls in the "clique" had been the victim, the parents would have worked it out and the school would have never been involved. They would have probably laughed about it (to some extent), and kept the whole matter to themselves.

Seems like a form of "bullying" to me, but some of that is based on your statements, some my guesses, and a lot of info to which I have no access.


My Conclusion and Opinion:

To me, the reason for the school to justify involvement is because of the Volleyball-relationship of all of the girls.
If the victim had not been on the volleyball team, would the others still have "pranked" her? ...probably not, as she would not have been affiliated with them.

I think that since many of the Volleyball team players conspired to act against another team member, the coach, upon learning about this, determined the "bullying" to be a serious enough "team" problem, independent of the outcome of the prank, and is justified in the school pursing disciplinary actions for this.

The victim's parents can work the "criminal" aspect (unexpected damages due to the prank) of this independently from the team aspect with the police or the other parents. The school should not get involved in this area.

...just my opinion. Thanks for asking.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

This is a really long post which I snipped....

I make all these "guesses" because I'll bet that if one of the other girls in the "clique" had been the victim, the parents would have worked it out and the school would have never been involved. They would have probably laughed about it (to some extent), and kept the whole matter to themselves.

Seems like a form of "bullying" to me, but some of that is based on your statements, some my guesses, and a lot of info to which I have no access.


My Conclusion and Opinion:

To me, the reason for the school to justify involvement is because of the Volleyball-relationship of all of the girls.
If the victim had not been on the volleyball team, would the others still have "pranked" her? ...probably not, as she would not have been affiliated with them.

I think that since many of the Volleyball team players conspired to act against another team member, the coach, upon learning about this, determined the "bullying" to be a serious enough "team" problem, independent of the outcome of the prank, and is justified in the school pursing disciplinary actions for this.

...and cannot really disagree with.

BUT:

This did not happen during school, on school property or on school time whatsoever - it was over the weekend. So what business is it of the school at all? The Principal, who's also the volleyball coach, told my wife that she felt it was necessary because the Cherokee owner was a volleyball team member as well, team unity, blah blah blah.

This definitely isn't going to help "team unity" regardless of whether James Bond 007 was correct or not. It is probably extremely counter-productive to that end.
Punish b/c you need to punish and all that (I won't pass judgment on the rest of the thread), but I don't see this promoting this chick getting into the "in crowd" or "team unity" or whatever. I'd have pointed that out.

"Remember that time you got 5 of the 6 starters suspended for a game? We totally love you for that!!!"
Uhh.....no.

[Irving]

Don't forget the nexus tying students to the school. Education isn't a right either.

[Irving]

What boundaries is the school overstepping? You do something out of line involving someone you know from school, school potentially suspends you FROM SCHOOL. Same deal as with sports. You are disciplined within the organization. Missing school is no extreme circumstance. The school isn't garnishing wages or blocking you from getting a license or a job.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

What boundaries is the school overstepping? You do something out of line involving someone you know from school, school potentially suspends you FROM SCHOOL. Same deal as with sports. You are disciplined within the organization. Missing school is no extreme circumstance. The school isn't garnishing wages or blocking you from getting a license or a job.

Yep.... Just like me.... If I do something stupid outside of work and the cops get called I get in trouble too.

Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.

[Irving]

Haven't seen Gilpin post in a while. Hope everything is okay.

[GilpinGuy]

Haven't seen Gilpin post in a while. Hope everything is okay.

Life is good, thanks! Bring on the OT!