Public School over-reach?

[JM Ver. 2.0]

I don't like people fucking with my car.... Had it been my car.... criminal charges would have been pressed against all those involved.

I'm an asshole when it comes to my car. One of my "friends" wrote "pussy bitch" on my car windows with a paint pen. Yeah, it came off with a razor blade and some alcohol, but I still had him tagged with vandalism.

I'd say she's lucky criminal charges weren't pursued. Take the suspension and don't make waves. It could be worse.

Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.

[Irving]

There is a nexus tying the school to the event. The girls know the other girl from the school. If your kid had gotten into a stranger's car, the school wouldn't be involved. That's how schools are able to suspend kids after house parties.

For how much people hate schools, they sure get upset when kids get suspended from school. Not saying you Gilpin since your situation is a tad different. This is no big deal at all. If you approach the coach and tell him/her that you'd prefer to discipline/raise your kid without his/her help, they'd probably tell you that he/she would prefer that you would have done so before your kid caused an issue like this in the first place.

[CO Hugh]

Generally, I would agree that non-school misconduct should not be punished by the school. However there are some differences here that may come into play. If the school doesn't discipline, then the alternative is to involve the police so possibly the school discipline is a better alternative.

Additionally, because it is a sports team issue, the coach may have broader discretion due to the team and camaraderie issue.

As an editorial, these theories and rules make us subjects. For example by the same reasoning if you receive a DUI (maybe not even convicted), or other criminal activity, you can have your professional occupational license sanctioned. Who cares if your doctor is a drunk as long as not when treating you.

[Lurch]

Co Hugh your last statement has me a bit puzzled. Are you saying that peoples actions outside of work shouldn't effect their work or peoples actions outside of school shouldn't effect their school?

[Aloha_Shooter]

Sorry, not really feeling that supportive on this one. I think the coach has a right and duty to discipline team members. A one game sit-out is a reasonable way to try to reinforce team unity. This is to recent examples of zero tolerance as a $20 parking ticket is to criminal conviction for a hit-and-run DUI.

[davsel]

Sounds like a jurisdictional issue.
Schools should have jurisdiction and very little disciplinary power over anything happening on school property and/or during school functions - ONLY.

That is the way it was when and where I went to school. That's why fights were scheduled for after school hours and off campus.

If the players have a problem with each other, and incidents occur outside of school, contact the parents and let them deal with it.
If it occurs inside of school, let the school deal with it.

I was told as a child, that if I did anything at school that caused me to require "school discipline," I would be receiving much worse when I got home.

Too many "parents" are OK with letting the schools "raise" their children. Unfortunately, this requires schools to step-up because they know there is often too little discipline in the home.

Obviously, I agree with the OP - School Over-Reach is a growing problem - promoted by a growing lack of parenting.

[10mm-man]

Maybe someone said this; I didn't read the whole thing. What would you do if you were the coach of the team and found out about this? Don't NFL players get reprimanded for actions outside of football. Don't athletes get held accountable for there actions? I think it is a good lesson!

[Monky]

The criminals.. yeah they're not kids.. they crossed that line 'foolish prank' or not.. They knew it wasn't their vehicle.

Conduct of team players outside of school has always been something coaches push for.. your actions reflect poorly on the team.. you suffer. I do not see an issue with it. At all levels of sports it happens. Granted when someone famous does something stupid they're ridiculed in the public eye.. then fined by the league, take a monetary loss from suspensions..

The criminals actions had a negative impact on the 'team'.. The coach's/school's decision to suspend the players for a single game is fairly lenient.. Some coaches would just remove the kids from the team altogether. Should the team lose a game due to the suspended players.. well I suppose they'll have to answer to their team mates then too won't they..

play stupid games win stupid prizes.

[davsel]

I did not realize this board was made up of so many perfectly disciplined former youth.

I'm thankful that where I grew up, parents and schools knew the difference between criminal activity and youthful pranks.
You get caught pulling a prank off campus, the parents get involved; on campus, the school and the parents get involved.
Cops should not get called for pranks, no matter where they occur.

As far as a coach's jurisdiction, it does not extend beyond the school and the practice field. These are not professional athletes who are being paid to play. That would be more equal to any full-time employment, where if you mess up outside of work, and it reflects negatively on your employer, you get fired. These are kids in an extracurricular activity.

Coaches, Band Directors, Drama Teachers, etc., don't have special disciplinary privileges that extend beyond their roll as the organizer of an activity.
If something happens during school or practice, the coach should handle it, along with the parents.
If it happens outside of school or practice, it is the parents responsibility.

[crays]

I did not realize this board was made up of so many perfectly disciplined former youth.

I'm thankful that where I grew up, parents and schools knew the difference between criminal activity and youthful pranks.
You get caught pulling a prank off campus, the parents get involved; on campus, the school and the parents get involved.
Cops should not get called for pranks, no matter where they occur.

As far as a coach's jurisdiction, it does not extend beyond the school and the practice field. These are not professional athletes who are being paid to play. That would be more equal to any full-time employment, where if you mess up outside of work, and it reflects negatively on your employer, you get fired. These are kids in an extracurricular activity.

Coaches, Band Directors, Drama Teachers, etc., don't have special disciplinary privileges that extend beyond their roll as the organizer of an activity.
If something happens during school or practice, the coach should handle it, along with the parents.
If it happens outside of school or practice, it is the parents responsibility.

Why is it it that when the. "in crowd" kids prank an "outsider" it's youthful indiscretion, but when an the tables are reversed, it's malicious mischief?

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