Form 1 question

[SAnd]

You do not have to mark the gun until it is actually assembled as a SBR. It can't be made up as a SBR until you get your approved Form 1 back. I had a Short Barreled Shotgun that I didn't mark for 2 months after I received my Form 1 back because I didn't cut the barrels until then. There is nothing that says you can't mark it before you get the Form 1 back. There is some difference of opinion as to when it is best to mark it. I normally I wait until after I get the approved Form back. I have one special circustance AR that I marked before I sent the form in though.

[Eric P]

Well i sent the form 1s and form 4s on the same day. Lets see which office is faster.

[68Guy]

You do not have to mark the gun until it is actually assembled as a SBR. It can't be made up as a SBR until you get your approved Form 1 back. I had a Short Barreled Shotgun that I didn't mark for 2 months after I received my Form 1 back because I didn't cut the barrels until then. There is nothing that says you can't mark it before you get the Form 1 back. There is some difference of opinion as to when it is best to mark it. I normally I wait until after I get the approved Form back. I have one special circustance AR that I marked before I sent the form in though.

??? Maybe I am reading this wrong but this is contrary to everything I have read on multiple sites. The reason for having the engraving done BEFORE sending off the form 1 is because the form 1 includes the serial number for the lower. So if you wait till after you send in your $200, wait months on end and then receive approval and THEN do the engraving - what happens if that gets screwed up? You cannot start all over again without full resubmission. If you engrave first and confirm everything is exactly correct, spelled properly and such and then submit, you are safe. There is no rule that says you cant engrave anything you want on a lower even if you didnt submit a form 1 so why wouldnt you do it ahead of time?

[Circuits]

??? Maybe I am reading this wrong but this is contrary to everything I have read on multiple sites. The reason for having the engraving done BEFORE sending off the form 1 is because the form 1 includes the serial number for the lower. So if you wait till after you send in your $200, wait months on end and then receive approval and THEN do the engraving - what happens if that gets screwed up? You cannot start all over again without full resubmission. If you engrave first and confirm everything is exactly correct, spelled properly and such and then submit, you are safe. There is no rule that says you cant engrave anything you want on a lower even if you didnt submit a form 1 so why wouldnt you do it ahead of time?

There's nothing wrong with engraving it before, and it does remove the chance of screwing up the engraving, however - SAnd was just pointing out it doesn't legally have to be done until the firearm is actually "made".

[SAnd]

??? Maybe I am reading this wrong but this is contrary to everything I have read on multiple sites. The reason for having the engraving done BEFORE sending off the form 1 is because the form 1 includes the serial number for the lower. So if you wait till after you send in your $200, wait months on end and then receive approval and THEN do the engraving - what happens if that gets screwed up? You cannot start all over again without full resubmission. If you engrave first and confirm everything is exactly correct, spelled properly and such and then submit, you are safe. There is no rule that says you cant engrave anything you want on a lower even if you didn't submit a form 1 so why wouldn't you do it ahead of time?

That is why I said "There is some difference of opinion as to when it is best to mark it.". There is no legal requirement to mark it it until it actually is assembled as an NFA item. What we are discussing is a preferred sequence on marking it. I have read several different opinions on when to mark it. The first Form 1 I did was sent back for correction because I abbreviated my name. They approved the Form with my name spelled out. I would have had to correct the engraving if I had engraved it before I sent the Form in. Another possibility is sometimes the ATF will disapprove a Form 1. You would be stuck with a marked gun then.

This is just my way of doing it. With the one exception I have done it when I felt like doing it as long it was before it became an NFA item.

[SAnd]

There's nothing wrong with engraving it before, and it does remove the chance of screwing up the engraving, however - SAnd was just pointing out it doesn't legally have to be done until the firearm is actually "made".

Thank you. That's what I meant to say. I tend to say too much.

[68Guy]

Thank you. That's what I meant to say. I tend to say too much.

Yeah sorry, I wasnt trying to be an A_s but I can see it kinda came out that way. I read it too literally. No there is no rule that says it has to be marked prior as you said so you are certainly correct. I guess even if I had a lower engraved and either cancelled my interest of buiding an SBR or it somehow got denied, there isnt anything wrong with having the engraving on it anyways. Silly laws for sure. Sux if I build and register one here in CO and then move to FL, it will forever have my original city/state. Oh well bureaucracy at its finest I suppose.