Great article "The Rifle on the Wall: A Left Argument for Gun Rights"

[nynco]

And thus your hyperbole is revealed. If someone disagrees with you about welfare, food stamps, healthcare, etc... you call them baby killers and accuse them of not giving a shit about living kids.

I don't want you to care about anything. You offered us a link to an interesting article. Your opinions about gun rights are noted. Your support of one issue certainly does not make you some special crossover breed of liberal/progressive who will bring peace to the gun rights debate.

Did someone tell you that you would someday unify the Sith and the Jedi through your specialness Anakin?

thus yours hyperbole is too... anyone for abortion rights are baby killers. I don't want abortions. But I don't want BIG GOVERNMENT to force anyone to do anything with their body. You want to end abortion then make birth control free. But the anti abortion people work against birth control. Its madness....

[blacklabel]

I did not derail this

But you did go full retard.

And like Bailey, your article became null to me when it denied that my right to bear arms is a natural right.

[blacklabel]

You want to end abortion then make birth control free.

Condoms are a buck and pulling out is free.

[Zundfolge]

The very first sentence tells us much about the author's fundamental lack of understanding of the Constitution:

I agree that the author lacks a fundamental understanding of the hows and whys of the Constitution ... that said I'm willing to set that aside for the time being and use his work to convince liberals to leave my guns the hell alone.

I'd rather NOT fight someone that appears to half agree with me (if even for the wrong reasons) then fight with someone that completely disagrees with me.

As a tool to convince other liberals to leave our guns alone, this article goes a long way ... as a tool to get liberals to understand the inner workings of the Constitution it falls short but the journey of a thousand miles begins with one step and this is a good first step.

[nynco]

Blacklabel actually if you read further down into the article it does go to the point that the right to bear arms is the right to self preservation. It is most prevalent as the counter argument to the stupid argument the left uses that the 2nd Amendment was written to protect slave masters from slaves. Again I know this article is LONG but it is really good. It is also written to get a liberal to rethink his position. So it must therefor start with premises that they can partially identify with and then slowly change their position. It would never work if it just beat them over the head with the concept of natural right. Though I whole heartedly agree the 2nd Amendment is the right to self preservation.

Zundfolga articulated that well too.

[BushMasterBoy]

As history shows again and again, whoever has the weapons, makes the rules!

[cstone]

I wasn't making an argument for or against abortion. I used my personal position on abortion to point out "your dream" about gun rights not being a partisan issue as a "pipe dream."

I don't care what you think about abortion. I don't expect anyone here cares what I think about abortion either. Just don't be naive to spend time dreaming or wishing for something that is just not possible. Gun rights is a partisan issue. Who cares who makes it a partisan issue. It is. Be ignorant, neutral, or pick a side. Fight for what you believe and don't spend time dreaming about peace between people who don't want peace.

You've stated that you have persuaded some liberals to respect other citizen's gun rights. Good on you. The debate continues and I don't believe any article will change that.

I believe this is a bigger issue. Do people want freedom or comfort. The two are not always mutually exclusive, but when you choose one, you tend to move away from the other.

[Bailey Guns]

You want to end abortion then make birth control free.

Birth control is free. Of course, that would necessitate accepting responsibility for one's actions. End of the argument for liberals because that's somehow repressing some other made-up right. Do you not even understand that birth control can't be "free"? Seriously? You do realize someone is paying for your "free" birth control.

By making birth control "free" you're pushing the financial burden on to someone else who may disagree with the principal of birth control or paying for someone else's birth control. You're basically endorsing slavery.

And I'm supposed to believe you're "pro-gun"? You're as absurd as you've always been.

[nynco]

Yes Bailey I am not pro-gun. That is why I posted an article that I hoped would help others educate those who are not for gun rights. Wow... brilliant assessment Bailey.

CStone... yes many people are recalcitrant in their thinking. That is esp true with people who are older. But right now I am more worried about educating my liberal friends who are younger and it is working.

[Bailey Guns]

Yes Bailey I am not pro-gun. That is why I posted an article that I hoped would help others educate those who are not for gun rights. Wow... brilliant assessment Bailey.

So you just want to resort to being a dick. That seems like standard operating procedure for you. I've told you why I disagree with the article in concrete terms. I've told you why I don't believe you can be a liberal/democrat and support their party and party platform and be pro-gun. I've done that without being rude or being an ass...despite my inner ass telling me I should behave like you. Instead of rebutting with a logical argument you immediately try to drag the conversation into the gutter without any logical response.

Sorry...I don't see how the discussion of the 2A can proceed when someone is arguing from a flawed understanding of the Constitution. I've already told you I disagree with the essay and why. You wanna be a dickhead...knock yourself out. You ARE good at it.