Great article "The Rifle on the Wall: A Left Argument for Gun Rights"

[cstone]

I find the people who are most recalcitrant in their thinking are the people who believe they are right. Unless you can convince a person that their belief is wrong, you have no business telling them otherwise. It is just rude.

I believe it is a worthy goal to support and defend the Constitution...every part of it.

[Bailey Guns]

BTW... If you weren't a douchebag liberal voting for other douchebag liberals you wouldn't have to convince your liberal "friends" of the righteousness of the 2A. And, frankly, I don't give a rat's ass if you think you're pro-gun or not. You support political candidates that want to destroy my way of life and the traditions of this country.

That makes you my enemy. I don't know how to make it any more clear than that.

ETA: The fact that you're trying to make yourself out to be some kind of liberal 2A hero because you post an article like this and claim to be pro-gun and attempting to convert your liberal friends to the pro-gun side doesn't work for me. If you and people like you weren't supporting (now and in the past) the liberals that are currently in office we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[nynco]

As much as I am a dick... according to Bailey... I too was one time not as pro 2nd Amendment. Many people just like you used logic and education to change my mind. I hope I can do that for others. Though I can be really opinionated I am actually very fast to change my mind if you can use facts and reasoning. Problem is few people are capable of thinking past the first few inches of an issue.

Oh and Bailey I plan to vote GOP in most all state races based on the 2nd Amendment. I don't say all because I would not want to punish the Dems who did vote to preserve gun rights that sends the wrong message.

[Bailey Guns]

Just state races? And why would that "send the wrong message" by voting against all democrats. Write them and tell them that you respect their stance on the 2A but if they were truly pro-gun they'd change their party affiliation.

If they don't get it on the 2A, they're not getting it on any of the others.

[Bailey Guns]

Not to mention they're still the party of "let's give 'free' shit to everyone and make the producers in society pay for it".

Let me just say, if you're a democrat. FUCK you. I don't care about your stand on the 2A.

[nynco]

Bailey... take your meds... you might pop something again...

[Bailey Guns]

I'm fine. I just want to make it perfectly clear where I stand. Or I could pretend to be a liberal and say one thing then do another then deny I ever said it or did it....then blame it on Bush.

Go back to your heroic deeds of converting your liberal friends, nynco. I'll try to stick to not fucking things up in the first place.

[nynco]

To think that voting GOP is not fucking things up is just plain wrong. Both sides are destroying this nation. So please spare me the part about voting GOP fixes everything.

[Bailey Guns]

You certainly don't disappoint, nynco. When you don't have logical argument, invent a strawman. Good strategy.

[Dave_L]

Everyone will have issues they can "bend" on. Everyone has issues they are 100% firm on. This is what normally gets people to vote one way or the other. Generally speaking, Democrats will infringe on your 2a rights. So if the second amendment is on the top of your list, you generally vote Republican. You'll "deal" with other issues with that party you may not agree 100% on because they line up on the most important values you have.

If you vote Democrat and expect that you'll be able to change the general movement they have towards restricting our 2A rights, then you are being naive, in my opinion. You may agree with 99% of everything else they say they want, but at the end of the day, they will try to restrict the 2A. By voting for them, that's only giving them more power to do so.

The people in power don't care what the people want/say. They do as the party tells them to. That was very evident in the recent Colorado gun laws. Democrat, Republican...it didn't matter. ALL the polls showed people did not want the new laws but they proceeded anyways. Why? Because Democrats will always stick to party ideals and gun control is on the top of their list.

This is where we run into people being stuck at party lines. There is no give/take these days. Each party has an agenda and sticks to it. You just have to decide which agenda fits your lifestyle/ideals the most and hope for the best. That is where the problem lies.

Just my $.02.