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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post
    Sad? Yes. Avoidable? Of course. The kid should have dropped the gun when told and announced it wasn't real. Unfortunately with recent shootings where the perpetrator is under 18, sometimes as young as 12 (NV), police have to consider even young juveniles a threat more so now than in years before. It's a scary world we're living in. And like some of you, my toy guns when growing up were very realistic, had orange tips, and it's not impossible to paint over, or in some cases, even remove the tip. Tragic situation indeed, but kids need to realize that toy or not, when a police officer tells you to put the gun down, you put the gun down. I hate to see kids die tragically and in this way, but I cannot in any way fault the officers for their actions.
    +1. It's going to be a much different world when I raise kids than when I was raised. I did grow up playing airsoft with real looking toys (just sold my Echo1 AK). But I also can assure you that I didn't ever try to walk around brandishing it either. It's sad that anyone lost life, but from these officer's standpoint, they did what they thought they had to. It doesn't seem to me that these were the kind of police that you hear about that are shooting people's dogs or anything. Bad situation all around.
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    More than 20 years ago when I was in uniform back east, the people I most feared were the 13 and 14 year old males. Most of the areas I patrolled were run by one crew or another and the "kids" were all armed, mostly drunk or drugged and they didn't have any clue about consequences. At night, with a jacket or hoodie, most 14 year olds look just like 20 year olds. Until you see their face, it was difficult to gage someone's age. 8 year olds can easily point a gun and pull the trigger.

    I can't say I've ever met a cop who was happy to have killed someone. I wouldn't call that a scientific survey, but it leads me to believe that most cops are not trigger happy, itching to kill someone.
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    It is a total catch 22 situation, and they made the best possible decision based on the information they had gathered in the few seconds before they fired.

    If the cops were wrong and it WAS an AK then they would have been outgunned and possibly dead. Car doors are no match for bullets.

    My prayers go out to all involved.
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    More like don't let your kid wander the streets with this toy gun:


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    Heartbreaking, no matter one's opinion on the matter. I wouldn't let my kids have a toy that looked that real, but alas, the boy who's dead didn't even own the toy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kmanbay View Post
    It is a total catch 22 situation, and they made the best possible decision based on the information they had gathered in the few seconds before they fired.

    If the cops were wrong and it WAS an AK then they would have been outgunned and possibly dead. Car doors and Kevlar vests are no match for rifle bullets.

    My prayers go out to all involved.
    FTFY. Car door or not, if it was real they'd be in a real scary situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstone View Post
    More than 20 years ago when I was in uniform back east, the people I most feared were the 13 and 14 year old males. Most of the areas I patrolled were run by one crew or another and the "kids" were all armed, mostly drunk or drugged and they didn't have any clue about consequences. At night, with a jacket or hoodie, most 14 year olds look just like 20 year olds. Until you see their face, it was difficult to gage someone's age. 8 year olds can easily point a gun and pull the trigger.

    I can't say I've ever met a cop who was happy to have killed someone. I wouldn't call that a scientific survey, but it leads me to believe that most cops are not trigger happy, itching to kill someone.
    ^^^this^^^
    cstone spot on , back in b-more its not the adults that are the problem its the kids . watch the wire some time , that show is pretty true to life

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