Police Checkpoint Proceedures

[sniper7]

...and yet you probably scream "don't judge all gun owners on the actions of a few crazy people" after every active shooter event and every RMGO rally. I'm comfortable with sworn LE pointing a firearm at me, following all safety rules, knowing that I will not be engaged as I am not a threat to them. You're not ok with it, that's fine. Some of us have nothing to hide so it doesn't bother us.

Flame away, I'm out...as I said before, way too much tinfoil in here.

Huge disconnect between the hundreds of millions of people out there with no training and no sworn duty and police who took an oath to protect and serve.
I scream out that those people need to be judged for their actions not all gun owners. Just as I am saying this guy needs to be judged for his actions, not all police.
The safety rules state to not aim a firearm at anything you aren't willing to destroy. He broke the rules and you are okay with it. That is the bottom line and the type of thinking that got us to this point. How deep does it go? They cuff everyone coming through and search everyone's car? You have nothing to hide right....

[losttrail]

Oh yeah, the boogieman terrorists that will get us... As Jmaes Madison new long before we did...

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."

There is now a domestic threat that has been created which is anyone who does not bow to the agenda of the current administration.

Personally I worry less about terrorists than gangs. I completed the local "Citizen's Police Academy" earlier this year and while there was discussion/information given regarding terrorism, the larger emphasis was on drug trafficing and gang activity. When you see some of the weaponry that drug cartels and gangs have and use, it helps understand why local PD's need to up-armor. To a point.

[losttrail]

For myself, if someone, anyone, points a weapon at me, they are a threat to me. I don't care if they have a uniform, shiny badges, official patches, etc. If I am obeying the law, cooperating with their requests/commands and not being threatening or confrontational, there is NO reason for a weapon to be pointed at me. Pointing the weapon at low ready near me, fine, especially if there has been some recent activity that has them on 'high alert'.

Now if I perform some act that is threatening, fine point the weapon at me since I deserve it.

But even if I refuse to comply with requests/commands, as long as I am being polite and non-threatening, there is NO reason to have a weapon pointed in my face.

BTW - Police officers are human therefore fallible and capable of making a mistake just like any of us. We have seen more than enough examples of law enforcement officers making mistakes, bad judgement calls or just plain being tools, that result in injury or death of innocent people. Also, firearms are mechanical devices capable of mechanical failure, that are manufactured, assembled and maintained by said fallible humans. The only guarantee of not shooting an innocent person is to not point a weapon at them. As my mom taught me about shooting starting at age 2, "Don't point a gun at anything you don't plan on killing".

[rondog]

Women delivering newspapers in Torrance shot in manhunt for ex-cop

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Woman shot by LAPD during Dorner manhunt still 'scared, panicked

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That's insane. Even more insane is how many officers nationwide would agree with doing the same thing. Pack mentality at its worst. Like wolves attacking a sheep, or a gang of Hells Angels all stomping the shit out of one guy for some mistakenly perceived insult or slight. "All on one, one on all". The smell of blood in the water.

[Ronin13]

The rules and law are different for law enforcement, than for average citizens! So much for equal application of the law, just proves Orwell was right. (Animal Farm)

Actually there are rules and laws that are different for LE. Have you read up on Title 42? 42-4-108 gives LE and other emergency vehicles special permissions. Use of certain types of force are allowed to LE to affect an arrest. It's not Orwellian or sinister- it's due to the nature of the job. It's not about equal application of the law- as LE does have to follow all laws, there are just exceptions due to the permissions we give to those who enforce the law. Don't look at it as the bad thing you think- we grant those who swore to protect, serve, and enforce our laws special permissions to effectively do their job... Or we could just follow the French and start lopping heads off, if you prefer...

[vectorsc]

The analogy of equal force of law for those who enforce it is flawed. A better analogy is that when a police officer decides to taze himself the outcome is similar to when they taze a suspect...but then again why would you ever taze yourself?

And if you feel the need to defend against this version of the analogy, good - so long as your deeds match your words. In fact, if you want to sit down to a beer sometime and talk about that time you shot a fellow officer when you came around the corner and found him raping that chick I buy ya a round. Provided you don't have to stick a gun in my mouth to feel safe.


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[davsel]

The analogy of equal force of law for those who enforce it is flawed. A better analogy is that when a police officer decides to taze himself the outcome is similar to when they taze a suspect...but then again why would you ever taze yourself?

And if you feel the need to defend against this version of the analogy, good - so long as your deeds match your words. In fact, if you want to sit down to a beer sometime and talk about that time you shot a fellow officer when you came around the corner and found him raping that chick I buy ya a round. Provided you don't have to stick a gun in my mouth to feel safe.

[lpgasman]

Women delivering newspapers in Torrance shot in manhunt for ex-cop

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Woman shot by LAPD during Dorner manhunt still 'scared, panicked

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So when you see a vehicle matching the description of a purp, you just unload your weapons into it? WOW!!
There were alot of cops involved, or someone reloaded a couple of times.

[Gman]

So when you see a vehicle matching the description of a purp, you just unload your weapons into it? WOW!!
There were alot of cops involved, or someone reloaded a couple of times.

It didn't even match. Wrong color and make/model. Shoot first, identify second.

Those houses you see in the distance? Yeah, those got peppered too.

[centrarchidae]

I'm still trying to figure out how you haven't seen LE uniforms with US flags on them. San Diego County for one has a colored US flag on the shoulder. I've yet to see a single police uniform with their respective state's flag.

Anywho, I tend to agree with the sentiment that everyone is a critic. I have a buddy who constantly posts all the bad stories about cops on Facebook- when he knows what I'm training to do with my life- yet he still claims he's not a cop basher... but he still posts the stories. Wouldn't it be better if he actually tried to find the good that LE does every day? Oh wait, the MSM doesn't report on the daily good that LE does, they like to focus on the bad.

Chicago PD wears the city flag (four red stars between two blue stripes, symbolizing the two rivers flowing. As through the city, on white field) on one shoulder, and a department patch on the other. I've seen lots of state seals, but no state flags, on shoulders.

As for everybody being a critic...anybody who needs to be liked should consider becoming a kitten-from-tree rescuer instead. Being the police guarantees that damn near nobody will ever like you, no matter how smart or honest you are. It's just the nature of the business.