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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtrulz View Post
    If you defeat every tax bill they will just find another way of getting their money, just like with the 30 dollar fee for your vehicle registration. Not a huge deal for someone who registers a 50 thousand dollar bmw, but for my motorcycles is more than doubled it.
    Just to correct you on the increased vehicle registration fees, it IS a big deal for the person registering that $50K BMW because his/her registration fee isn't some measly $30, it's more like $1500. Three years ago I got a "new" Expedition (1-year-old former rental) to replace my 13-year-old Bravada. Registration went up from about $50 to over $500 (my memory is foggy but I think it was around $700-800).

    Denver's addiction to taxes and fees is a major reason I refuse to replace my 14-year-old car -- I can afford a shiny new car and there are even some I like but I'd rather pay my mechanic to keep the old junker running than pay Denver their extortion on new vehicles.

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    Aloha, I am in agreement about vehicles. I drive a $900 car with no paint for that very reason.

    Ronin, what you said is dumb. Sure people are excited about legal pot, I would expect just as many people to move here as however many moved to Canada when Bush was elected. People smoke pot all over the country, and no matter where they live, they aren't hiding under the bed or going out of their way to do it.
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    I voted for the tax out of spite.


    If this leads to other tax proposals down the road, I'll have ample opportunity to vote against those taxes, so I don't really see how the slippery slope argument applies here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    Can you provide a single valid reason to "tax the hell out of" anything? The fact that you are even concerned it could backlash to something you care about should be answer enough for you.
    yes, i would tax the hell out of politicians.

    and I agree with Irv, thats one of the reasons we own old vehicles. 94, 95, 2003.

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    I had a hard time deciding on how to vote on that one. I do worry that it can lead to future tax increases on other items, but I also didn't want the regulation of pot to not be covered by some kind of taxes.

    As for vehicle fees, my 02 Explorer's renewal came yesterday and I'm just under $100 for this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    As for vehicle fees, my 02 Explorer's renewal came yesterday and I'm just under $100 for this year.
    My 04.5 Ram 2500 is still $177.57. For a vehicle that does ~ 5k per year on the roads. Fuckn ridiculous shit Ritter dumped on us.

    At least I got a bye on the (diesel) emissions test this year. Another crock of complete shit.
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    I'm all for Ritter's illegal by-passing of the TABOR laws; because I hate Toyota Prius drivers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    I'm all for Ritter's illegal by-passing of the TABOR laws; because I hate Toyota Prius drivers.
    Non-sequitur and a straw man.

    AA is in line with TABOR, Ritter's illegal by-passing of TABOR was illegal and bypassed tabor. And no I won't vote for 66 or your imaginary Prius tax because they would harm non-liberals as much as liberals. AA will harm liberals disproportionately to non-liberals.

    Again, on principal I don't disagree with you. The state has too much money and doesn't deserve more, but I already admitted I'm voting for the damn thing purely out of hatred of leftists, liberals and Demonrats (and no it's not misguided hatred ... it's a laser focused and fully justified hatred that frankly I've shown WAY more restraint of in the past).

    I don't expect my reasoning to convince someone still voting for ideological or tactical reasons to convince them to come over to my side, nor do I hold it against anyone who chooses to vote against AA because they oppose any new taxes (or feel AA is excessive).
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    Well, it sounds like you know you're voting emotionally and fully understand the consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    I'm all for Ritter's illegal by-passing of the TABOR laws; because I hate Toyota Prius drivers.
    Because you perceive them as ironically pious? Or is it because they actually do more harm to the environment than any other modern ultra mileage economy car? I once had a Prius as a rental, would I endure the same hate?

    I do know some nice conservative folks (co-workers) that commute in metro areas other than Denver that only got one to save (gas) money for their family. I'm sure they would be interested to know the motivation behind all the hate.
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