How can you be pro-gun, but anti-drug?

[rondog]

Pro-gun people typically don't steal drugs and other property from pro-drug people, other people, businesses, etc., so that they can buy more guns and ammo.

Just sayin'.....

[hatidua]

Fear not, the DEA would never ever allow drugs to be legalized - it'd put them out of a job. They'll put for as many studies as necessary to keep drugs illegal, if for no other reason than to protect their annual operating budget.

[osok-308]

We're probably all pro-gun here, and I going to take a leap and say that we all know guns can be dangerous. We could potentially use them to hurt ourselves, or hurt others, but we still want others to be able to own guns. It's their responsibility to be safe with them. If they hurt themselves or someone else, they must face the consequences. We don't need or want the government to ban guns to protect us, or others, from our guns.

So how is this different than drugs? If you want to do drugs, that's your choice and your responsibility. You can hurt yourself, or you can hurt others. So what? You can do the same thing with a gun. You can do the same thing with gasoline. You can do the same thing with anti-freeze, a screwdriver, or a hammer. Or alcohol.

A kid can get his hands on drugs and ruin his life, or he can get his hands on a gun and ruin his life. You teach them to not pick up the gun, and you trust them to do so, why can't you teach them to not pick up the drugs, and trust them to do so?

If anybody is pro-gun and anti-drug (which I assume is a lot of you), I'd be interested in hearing how you reconcile the two stances.

For the record, I never do drugs. But I'm in favor of every drug being legal, for the simple reason that I don't think the government should tell us what to do if we're not hurting anyone. If we hurt someone, then the government steps in.

I would first of all tell you that I am a libertarian and believe that the government has no place telling people what they can or cannot do. I am against drugs (not for the war on drugs).

Your argument about guns misses a few key points, YES guns can cause damage, but you are not mentioning the GOOD that guns are capable of. I've never heard of a woman stopping a rape because she gave the offender some heroine instead, there are no cases of fathers bonding with their sons over an afternoon smoking meth, and freedom has never been won at the business end of a crack pipe. Guns have good uses. There is no responsible way to use meth, heroine, or crack (pot is probably a different story).

When I have children I will teach them that drugs will not get them where they want to be, so legal or not, I hope that my children will abstain from those things. However people who get high on meth have gotten violent and committed many a crime. The reason I think these hard drugs should be illegal is because of the possible overarching effect it can have on others.


You are also looking at HOW people choose to kill others, let's not forget that murder is also illegal.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

There is no responsible way to use meth, heroine, or crack (pot is probably a different story).

The United Kingdom uses heroin medically. Some drugs we use for ADHD or narcolepsy are pretty close cousins to meth.
The difference, in these cases, between good and bad is some regulation and a lot of education and training. I'm not at all for doing away with the CSA and our drug schedules. $0.02 I am all for occasionally reviewing things on a case-by-case basis for appropriateness. This is what we do.



If generalmeow (or anyone) seems to think heroin is such a public welfare bonanza, I would strongly urge them to volunteer in a methadone clinic for a week or two and see how these things affect lives.

[generalmeow]

If generalmeow (or anyone) seems to think heroin is such a public welfare bonanza, I would strongly urge them to volunteer in a methadone clinic for a week or two and see how these things affect lives.

Where did I say legalizing drugs would be good for everyone, or provide any benefit to society? I believe in natural selection. If you are the type of person that would kill yourself with drugs, I want you to kill yourself with drugs. Good riddance.

[Zundfolge]

There is no responsible way to use meth, heroine, or crack (pot is probably a different story).

Actually Meth is a prescription drug (and was before it became a street drug), we use heroine's cousin morphine all the time for medicine and same thing goes for cocaine (which is what crack is made from).

Keep in mind, however, that all these responsible uses for these drugs require a prescription and strict supervision of the manufacture, sale and use, so its not like you can buy them all at Walgreen's cash and carry.

[generalmeow]

Shit, if you're even the type of person who would try heroin, or crack, I want you to overdose. But i want you to be able to make that decision.

Free market, gentlemen. If it kills you, maybe you won't buy it.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Shit, if you're even the type of person who would try heroin, or crack, I want you to overdose. But i want you to be able to make that decision.

Free market, gentlemen. If it kills you, maybe you won't buy it.

Not even close. The free market depends upon perfect or near perfect information.
Do you really think that is what we have here?

BTW, how do Free Market disciples, you Friedmans and Sowells and so forth suggest dealing with externalities?

Puh-leese.

[generalmeow]

Not even close. The free market depends upon perfect or near perfect information.
Do you really think that is what we have here?

BTW, how do Free Market disciples, you Friedmans and Sowells and so forth suggest dealing with externalities?

Puh-leese.

I didn't say we have a free market. I meant if we had a free market, you would have the choice. Not the government.

[KLR650]

Prohibition as a practice destroys lives. People being incarcerated for years of their lives for what? the persuit of happiness? Let's take the proverbial tweaker who goes on a criminal rampage, let's punish the rampage. the prohibition argument is akin to punishing guns for murder, the "if we take away the guns, we take away the tool of murder" arguments. let people who want drugs have them in the open, before a criminal black market emerges and we see gang crime run rampant. oh wait.

what if something you truly enjoyed (people clearly enjoy drugs, as they are willing to risk punishment), but didn't find unethical were declared a felony tomorrow. would you stop, would you really? what about 30 round mags?