DOJ memo on gun confiscation has been verified & confirmed

[davsel]

How many "officials" did it take to lock down ALL of Boston, searching for the bombers?
How many homes were entered and searched?
How many home owners resisted?

It will be too easy.

[Great-Kazoo]

There is no need to "Justify" anything when it comes to any form of confiscation. They used ICC verbiage for the alleged Colombian "cartel" member . Not massive amounts of ill gotten gains, interstate transportation of a schedule 1 substance. Nope, it was for possession of firearms mfg outside the State of CO.

Cartel and terrorist one week. Gun Owners with Links to Militia's the next.

[Ronin13]

and wait till they "SHOCK AND AWE" your ass with their new MRAPS and UpArmored Hmmwv.

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/...ntcmp=features

read how the cops talk. we need mraps to do our job. when have cops ever encountered the need for mraps? im sure there a very very small minute amount of times. not so they can have a dick measuring contest and intimidate the citizenry.

and they dont have to confiscate guns anyway. they can eliminate ammo and components. you will have no way to use the gun for more than a club or lamp stand.

This makes a lot of sense- in the wake of events like N. Hollywood and Columbine (patrol officers vs better armed suspects) I understand the need for most (if not all) squad cars armed with a patrol rifle/carbine... but when agencies start talking about the need for heavily armored APCs, that's a bit of a stretch. There's a difference between practicality and just plain ego stroking.

[BPTactical]

Look how quickly it was done in Australia and Great Britain.
And we have a nation of wimps and sally's that will happily do it for that $50.00 Walmart card.

One thing you miss Ronin, with the signature on the UN SAT domestic LE will not have to do it.
The unconstitutional prick in office will open the door for them, legal or not.

[Great-Kazoo]

Look how quickly it was done in Australia and Great Britain.
And we have a nation of wimps and sally's that will happily do it for that $50.00 Walmart card.

One thing you miss Ronin, with the signature on the UN SAT domestic LE will not have to do it.
The unconstitutional prick in office will open the door for them, legal or not.

What TAG for blue meanies?

[lowbeyond]

Everyone who has a latent or lingering fear that one day this may happen, just know one big detail that most overlook: who would be enforcing this? More than likely, just because of sheer numbers involved, it would be local (state, city and county) law enforcement. I'll say this much, not gonna happen anytime soon. Most LE won't even consider this option viable- it's basically a suicide mission. And before people get into the whole "If they wanna keep their jobs" or "they'll do their jobs, money is a bigger motivator" etc. etc. ad nauseum, there are so many in District Attorney's offices who preach the importance to adhere to the Constitution above all else- especially when speaking with sworn officers- that there is no way anyone in the justice system would stand for anything that is such a blatant violation of the Constitution. Every cop I've talked to, prior to and during the academy, has said that they'll hang up their holster and badge before trampling the Constitution... but more likely is a huge push back against those who would even try this crap. Rest easy- not going to happen anytime soon, especially on my watch.

They will pass a Law first. And then its on. First it will be the mentally ill. Define by the govt. PSTD. No guns. Have a case of the boo hoos. No guns. Then it will be domestic enemies/terrorists. Tea Party. People with gadsten flags. People who buy things with cash or have some food.

Here is a whole list of possible terrorist activities brought to you by the gov't
http://chasvoice.blogspot.com/2012/0...-activity.html


The cops will do it. How do i know this? They are doing it NOW.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.s..._gun_laws.html

All i heard was that no cop would ever ever under any circumstances arrest people for having 7 rounds in a magazine. Why don't you worry ! Trust us! We can trust them so much that they are arresting people for laws that are not even in effect yet. Trust! Yep

From March to Oct. 22, 981 people were charged with new provisions under the Safe Act:

• 864 were charged with criminal possession of a firearm, a new felony that includes having a gun with a shortened barrel or an unregistered pistol. Before the Safe Act, this behavior was a misdemeanor charge called fourth-degree criminal possession of a weapon, which is still on the books.
• 33 were charged with having more than seven bullets inside a 10-round magazine, a violation that is the equivalent of a traffic ticket. First-time offenders face a $200 fine.
• 21 were charged with criminal possession of a weapon on school grounds, a new felony.
• 20 were charged with unlawful possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device, a misdemeanor.
• 15 were charged with aggravated criminal possession of a weapon, a felony charged when a person has a loaded firearm while committing a violent or drug trafficking felony.
• 12 were charged with criminal purchase or disposal of a weapon - also called straw purchases. The Safe Act elevated an existing law banning sales of a firearms, rifles or shotguns to a disqualified gun owner from a misdemeanor to a felony.
• 7 people were charged with the felony of possession of an unloaded firearm during a violent felony or drug trafficking felony.
• 7 people were charged with failing to register an assault weapon, a requirement that doesn't go into effect until next year.
• 1 person was charged with failing to safety store a rifle, shotgun or firearm when another resident in the home is prohibited from possessing a firearm. This is a misdemeanor.
• 1 person was charged with unlawful transfer or a previously lawful assault weapons or large-capacity magazine, a misdemeanor.

Over in Cali the cops are going door to door confiscating guns from those CA deems prohibited. Oh they say they are mentally ill and the like. Uh-huh

In NJ They are entering homes without a warrant over a facebook post demanding to see the guns
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...oto_of_bo.html

It is well known that in NY, they ignore fed safe transport laws and bust people for illegal NY guns

Last year in Aurora they stopped everyone at an intersection forced them to get out of the car at gunpoint
http://www.coloradoindependent.com/1...tuional-alarms

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/05/po...e-bank-robber/

“We didn’t have a description, didn’t know race or gender or anything, so a split-second decision was made to stop all the cars at that intersection, and search for the armed robber,” Aurora police officer Frank Fania told ABC News.

No description, no nothing. Therefore they didn't even have RAS, let alone probable cause to stop anyone. But so what! Block the intersection, stick rifles and shotguns in peoples faces well its easy to get consent after that, isn't it. Its all good !

“It’s hard to say what normal is in a situation like this when you haven’t dealt with a situation like this,” Fania told ABC. “The result of the whole ordeal is that it paid off. We have arrested and charged a suspect.”

What constitutional principle allows the detention of 40 cars at an intersection with no RAS/PC? Oh it must be the "it paid off" exception. AKA We have the guns pointed at you now STFU an comply. Yea its right there in the constitution, you just have to squint to see it....




ETA: I cant wait for the first case of someone with a pot card to get busted and have the guns taken away. Some will be happy as pie. Stupid criminals broke the law. No guns for you you doper! Law is the Law

[lowbeyond]

they will confiscate guns whenever they want and I bet 90-95% of American gun owners give them up quietly. American gun owners are LAW ABIDING people who have lived comfortable lives. They arent ready to live like afghans and give their lives.

sorry, but its what I believe to be true.

Id guess most will give them up. Just look at other countires.

Then those that refuse and shoot a cop will be labeled as Cop Killers, and all those i would never ever confiscate guns will hunt them down and kill them to much applause - no doubt.

After all they Broke.The.Law They are CRIMINALS ! You must obey.

[kidicarus13]

What constitutional principle allows the detention of 40 cars at an intersection with no RAS/PC? Oh it must be the "it paid off" exception. AKA We have the guns pointed at you now STFU an comply. Yea its right there in the constitution, you just have to squint to see it....

That's funny. Exigent circumstance was probably their final answer.


An emergency situation requiring swift action to prevent imminent danger to life or serious damage to property, or to forestall the imminent escape of a suspect, or destruction of evidence. There is no ready litmus test for determining whether such circumstances exist, and in each case the extraordinary situation must be measured by the facts known by officials.

Those circumstances that would cause a reasonable person to believe that entry (or other relevant prompt action) was necessary to prevent physical harm to the officers or other persons, the destruction of relevant evidence, the escape of a suspect, or some other consequence improperly frustrating legitimate law enforcement efforts.

[lowbeyond]

It's not even exigent circumstances. They had zero knowledge of who the suspect was. It's not like they followed him, and they ducked into a building so they followed without a warrant. That's exigent circumstances. Not this. Remember they had nothing, they admit it

It's like there was a rape, so all of you in area x with a penis must submit to a search.

Really? Not only no, but fuck no

But hey, so long as they have cheerleaders, and they go their man, no matter what. It's all good.

Fuck the Constitution and the last couple hundred years of scotus jurisprudence. That stuff is for pikers.

[kidicarus13]

It's not even exigent circumstances. They had zero knowledge of who the suspect was. It's not like they followed him, and they ducked into a building so they followed without a warrant. That's exigent circumstances. Not this. Remember they had nothing, they admit it

It's like there was a rape, so all of you in area x with a penis must submit to a search.

Really? Not only no, but fuck no

But hey, so long as they have cheerleaders, and they go their man, no matter what. It's all good.

Fuck the Constitution and the last couple hundred years of scotus jurisprudence. That stuff is for pikers.

I agree with you but it's not so black and white to everyone. "there is no ready litmus test"