Firefighters... WTF!?!!?

[lowbeyond]

Everyone is beating around the bush so ill just say it..

The Fire Fighters via their union have sold you out for money. Saying its not me its the union is just passing the buck. They ARE the union.

[encorehunter]

Everyone is beating around the bush so ill just say it..

The Fire Fighters via their union have sold you out for money. Saying its not me its the union is just passing the buck. They ARE the union.

So you voted for Obama since he is now President? If you were a voting member of the US, that is what you are saying.

[lowbeyond]

swing and a miss.

but hey, keep making excuses.

its pretty clear the union thinks that money, to be specific, their members money, everyone else's meh - not so much; is more important then gun rights, else why would they give 10k to an anit gun pro-collective bargaining politician?

but if you wish to believe otherwise, well that is a way i suppose. its a great delusion.

[jerrymrc]

cstone hit the nail on the head. This Democratic in power BS all started back in the 60's when Kennedy gave Federal workers collective bargaining rights. It's a vicious cycle akin to entitlements. Public sector employees should not be allowed collective bargaining. Pay for performance like the private sector non-union jobs most of us have to work to keep.

Couple of thoughts. As a fed employee we do not have rights like most unions. At least from what I have seen they are pretty toothless. I am not a member but I am represented by them. I have gone to them twice in 20 years because of stupid stuff and when you get a new boss every 18-24 months that is .mil not all of them have a clue.

Since I have not seen a pay raise in over 4 years and they have no power over the costs of things there is not a lot they can do at least from where I sit.

During the Bush years we started going to NSPS and a pay for performance system. It was costing them much more than they thought and was converted back to the GS system. The people that had been converted made out like bandits even after the switch back. I am sure that there are agency's where many are paid more than they are worth but most of the DOD is not like that.

In the technical fields we are losing many good people because the outside world progresses much faster and there is nothing the union can do. Just some thoughts from my side of the fence.

[U81I812]

FF vote for and fund democrats to ensure the government will keep extorting money from the general public to pay for their million dollar retirement packages and 22k a year health care for life deal. For them this is a higher priority than firearms and freedom.

[encorehunter]

FF vote for and fund democrats to ensure the government will keep extorting money from the general public to pay for their million dollar retirement packages and 22k a year health care for life deal. For them this is a higher priority than firearms and freedom.

Apparently I am working in the wrong place. At 36k a year working 2920 hours (we work a 56 hour work week) a year vs 2180 hours for a 40 hour week person, and now I will be paying 27% instead of 20% of my health insurance and no raise in the last 8 years, I am missing out. We haven't even had a cost of living increase. As for the million dollar retirement, I will have to work another 70 years to get that.
There ares some of us who don't vote with the majority, so please don't lump us all into one.

Maybe we should all just go volunteer. That would save the taxpayers a lot of money. When your insurance rate triples due to a higher ISO rating, please don't be crying. That is what you are asking for.

[jerrymrc]

Apparently I am working in the wrong place. At 36k a year working 2920 hours (we work a 56 hour work week) a year vs 2180 hours for a 40 hour week person, and now I will be paying 27% instead of 20% of my health insurance and no raise in the last 8 years, I am missing out. We haven't even had a cost of living increase. As for the million dollar retirement, I will have to work another 70 years to get that.
There ares some of us who don't vote with the majority, so please don't lump us all into one.

Maybe we should all just go volunteer. That would save the taxpayers a lot of money. When your insurance rate triples due to a higher ISO rating, please don't be crying. That is what you are asking for.

We pay 30% on ours so I know how ya feel. Last raise was jan 2010. I know there are many that believe that if you are in a union no matter how or why then one makes double what a non-union job is and that there is this great free healthcare and incredible retirement.

As seen by some of the headlines in the news over the last few years I can understand this but just as we have seen in the past not everyone is in that boat. Wish I was....

I do hope that after doing 38 years in my current job that the offers I have had will allow me to work a couple of years at a non-union, non-government job so I can make close to double what I do now.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I make a distinction between firefighters and their unions just like I do for policemen and teachers and others. Firefighters did a bang-up job the past two summers that we've been plagued with horrendous wildfires. I'm not going to blame them all because their corrupt union bosses have fallen in line with the Communist liberal Obamabots even with the one idiot who was writing letters to the Colorado Springs Gazette in favor of tax increases and virtually threatening to not do his job. Most policemen I knew were against the new gun laws (state troopers are a whole different breed).

IMO, firefighters and policemen are the first victims of their unions just like Italian-Americans were often the first victims of La Cosa Nostra.

[Milt]

For what it might be worth, even that statist creep FDR was opposed to 'public sector' labor unions...

[roberth]

I make a distinction between firefighters and their unions just like I do for policemen and teachers and others. Firefighters did a bang-up job the past two summers that we've been plagued with horrendous wildfires. I'm not going to blame them all because their corrupt union bosses have fallen in line with the Communist liberal Obamabots even with the one idiot who was writing letters to the Colorado Springs Gazette in favor of tax increases and virtually threatening to not do his job. Most policemen I knew were against the new gun laws (state troopers are a whole different breed).

IMO, firefighters and policemen are the first victims of their unions just like Italian-Americans were often the first victims of La Cosa Nostra.

Yup, when it comes time to threaten to trim city budgets or raise taxes who gets trimmed first - PD and FD that's who. Why? Because the public will scream the loudest about them and the tax increase will pass, if the city officials said they would trim welfare first they wouldn't hear nearly as much complaining and they wouldn't get their tax increase.