Private party sales question

[buckshotbarlow]

Most of the ones doing it are little guys and gun people. None of the big holders give a rats ass about you or what you want to sell. Nowhere in that law does it say they have to do a transfer.

Thank you for saying this, I couldn't agree with you more....

[hurley842002]

We have talked about this before. There were a limited number of FFL's that were doing transfers before the new law and that number decreased for PP transactions. I for one am grateful for the few that are willing to do this.

I think many know how this could turn out if everyone that dislikes paying the fee starts waving paper at an FFL and threatening them. They will just stop doing it. Like many things I have always said that if you do not like the price do it yourself.

Most of the ones doing it are little guys and gun people. None of the big holders give a rats ass about you or what you want to sell. Nowhere in that law does it say they have to do a transfer. Just a thought.

This about sums it up...

As much as I'd rather pay $10 than $25, I can't see too many FFL's doing PP transfers for $10. So when we start "throwing the law around" over fifteen bucks, and they stop doing them, then what?

[Busta Prima]

This about sums it up...

As much as I'd rather pay $10 than $25, I can't see too many FFL's doing PP transfers for $10. So when we start "throwing the law around" over fifteen bucks, and they stop doing them, then what?

I agree. What kind of person are you if you stand behind a bad law that you don't like because a small piece of it might benefit you. I've always said we are our own worst enemies (that goes for just about everything, not just this).

From now on just sell guns to your friends or people you trust. Just be sure to do it prior to 7/1/13

[merl]

This about sums it up...

As much as I'd rather pay $10 than $25, I can't see too many FFL's doing PP transfers for $10. So when we start "throwing the law around" over fifteen bucks, and they stop doing them, then what?

Then enough complaints reach legislators, either directly or indirectly by losing elections, that they pass another law forcing FFLs to perform the transfers.

[kidicarus13]

This about sums it up...

As much as I'd rather pay $10 than $25, I can't see too many FFL's doing PP transfers for $10. So when we start "throwing the law around" over fifteen bucks, and they stop doing them, then what?

I suspect that if FFL's are no longer willing to do transfers than people will do like prior to July 1. Makes sense to me.

[jerrymrc]

Then enough complaints reach legislators, either directly or indirectly by losing elections, that they pass another law forcing FFLs to perform the transfers.

Since we are one of the only BCG for PP I take it to mean state legislators. So a state is going to pass a law that mandates local compliance of a federal entity? I see that working out well.

[Clint45]

About a month back I spoke to one fellow who wanted to comply with the new law and who claimed he telephoned every sporting goods store close to his home to ask about private party sales, and was told they don't do those. I've even heard that a couple of gun stores would only agree to handle the transaction if the gun was entered into their inventory and sold on consignment for a percentage. It seems there's only about a dozen FFLs in the state who are doing these for the general public, they aren't advertising it, and some of those are by appointment only.

I don't believe this law was intended to be followed. I believe it was intended solely to criminalize collectors, hunters, and target shooters for doing trades. Even NY, which has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, does not require a background check for trades or sales of traditional hunting rifles, shotguns, and 22s.

[merl]

Since we are one of the only BCG for PP I take it to mean state legislators. So a state is going to pass a law that mandates local compliance of a federal entity? I see that working out well.

Dead horse for sure

Want a business license in this state, comply with the laws of the state. Pretty easy to force if it comes to that. The other option is to remove the fee limitation but that could be construed as a positive for the gun industry.

[Busta Prima]

The easiest sell would be to take the FFLs out of the loop and let a private seller contact the CBI directly. The $10 fee legitimizes that contact especially if they require a traceable payment method. You give the DL of the buyer to them, they run it and give an approval or denial and you're done. They know who called, they know who got the gun and all aspects of the law should be satisfied. Of course I'd rather see everything they passed reversed but that rarely happens.

[Big E3]

It seems to me on two issues brought up that we are not helping our cause.
1. "We should just shut up and let FFL's break the law so we a least have somebody to do BGC's". My response: Sounds like a lot of people are willing to have FFL's break the law so that we can comply with it.
2. "How can Colorado force a federally controlled FFL to do BGC's"? My response: Sounds a lot like the existing law requiring an FFL to do a state mandated BGC.
Without any place to do private transfers maybe a judge tells the state to go back and change the law. And if they have to that I think the recalls could make that go differently.