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They were installed during the spring workdays, on every berm. And like Merl posted, everyone was sent the above e-mail. I'll bet you would have seen these if they said "Free .22LR ammo".When was the sign posted? I've never ever seen one.
It is the ability to be "cleared" that is at issue. No communication regarding that. The above email just said "qualified range officer" that gives the impression that only organized and managed events can utilize the berms in such a manner.Originally Posted by MarkCO
Secondly this portion of the email.....................
"The use of high power rifles on steel targets is no longer permitted. A high power rifle is defined as a rifle firing a jacketed bullet from a bottle neck cartridge. Another problem has been ricochets caused by casual shooters not placing their targets close to the backstop."
You can not bring your own steel resetting targets out to the 200 yard berm set them against the backstop and utilize them with .223 or does that also fall under the being "qualified and authorized" and there is a way to accomplish this through the rules?
Would not have known about the ability to do so without mention in this thread, which certainly is not communication from the Club regarding a method to do so.
Last edited by USMC88-93; 12-03-2013 at 09:47.
1. I think this conversation qualifies as communication!
2. Yes to the second part.
Not trying to nit pick and argue the point I am treating this as a friendly conversation over breakfast ....Literally, give me a minute I smell something burning.
That is the point I am trying to make, this is a conversation with another user of a website that is in no way affiliated with CRC. Several of us happen to be members out there and we are talking about it here I will give you that, but it can not be construed as official communication from the Club. All communication from the Club in an official capacity has been the don'ts with no mention of "you actually can do these things IF you obtain certification from a qualified Club official." That is the thing that is turning my screws nothing more than that. Am I happy I read this thread yes because it is the only way I would have known and THAT is the problem.
Last edited by USMC88-93; 12-03-2013 at 10:01.
Considering there is already steel mentioned at the east 200yd berm I have no issues putting up my own at that distance. There was a gong sitting for more than a month at the 200yd section of the 100/200yd rifle range, if steel at 200yd was an issue what would not have stayed as long as it did.
I see that rule to stop you from shooting steel at 15yd in the small berms with a 300WM
Last edited by merl; 12-03-2013 at 10:42.
And his point is that the email (which I did not, nor any other members I know, receive) mentions nothing about being qualified to do "quick draw" shooting.
I think the "being civil" comment was directed at the bolded portion of the above quote.
Keep Calm and Carry.
Not exactly, but thanks for trying to explain my position......if we are going to open it up to conversation, I was referring to you. Mark is trying to help out here so I am not really sure why you are arguing with him. I guess I will leave it at, "if you dont like the rules they have in place or you are not pleased with the way they run things you can always cancel your membership''.
And like I mentioned earlier, at least Mark is being gracious enough to offer us an alternative. I'm sure it would just be easier for him to not qualify anyone....you know for free, on his own time and out of the kindness of his own heart.
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Which is where the problem lies. He shouldn't have to do that, because it shouldn't be a requirement.
The only comment that wasn't civil was the insult that the only way to get my attention would be if the notice offered free ammo.
I think it's fair to disagree that an unnecessary rule, that wasn't covered in orientation and is only mentioned in one spot with vague wording and has only been posted at the range in the last several months, is suddenly resolved because one person has mentioned it a handful of times on an Internet forum (that a small percentage of CRC members visit) that they can be exempted from the rule. It's not even reasonable to exclude the non-COAR member base from this ability under threat of club expulsion.
One or several things need to happen:
1) Remove the rule from the book.
OR
2) Allow more than one single person to permit members to "quick draw".
AND
3) Inform the entire member base that this is a rule and that many many people are breaking it, but can be exempted and how.
AND
4) Organize specific times/days that large groups of members may attend to become exempted from this rule.
The absolute easiest thing would be for #1 to happen, then no one needs to bother Mark (without the offer of free ammo).
How do you know that this whole thing is a problem? I've been shooting in berms next to ROs of action shooting sports, talked with them, even shot with them a bit and they never ever hinted at being aware of what we were all doing was against club rules. This was well before Mark so graciously offered to approve the use of the berms for which they were intended, so none of us were in the very elite 5.
Last edited by DeusExMachina; 12-03-2013 at 12:29.
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