RUFKM? Judge orders Colorado Cake Maker to serve gay couples

[merl]

Suck a smoke and your a second class citizen.
Suck a c#%k and you are one of the cool kids.

This is one fucked up world......

And the argument is:
smokers are affecting others so can be limited. (wayyyy overblown but it is the justification)
gays are not affecting anyone so let em be.

One can justify a protected class when there is discrimination to the point of services not being available. That is not even close to the case here.

[BPTactical]

gays are not affecting anyone so let em be.

Really? Explain then the proliferation of HIV in our society.

You know, the majority of us enjoy our hobby (firearms) to the point where it is a "lifestyle". Some may view that as "abnormal".
But we do not demand to be accepted by society.
We do not demand "equal rights".
We do not demand that a retail establishment bow to our demands via an activist court.
We do not promote immoral and perverted behaviors.

No, gays don't affect anyone.


We are watching the morals of our society be degraded at every level.
When we have no morals, we have no society (at least a civil society)

[Ronin13]

gays are not affecting anyone so let em be.

Really? Explain then the proliferation of HIV in our society.

You know, the majority of us enjoy our hobby (firearms) to the point where it is a "lifestyle". Some may view that as "abnormal".
But we do not demand to be accepted by society.
We do not demand "equal rights".
We do not demand that a retail establishment bow to our demands via an activist court.
We do not promote immoral and perverted behaviors.

No, gays don't affect anyone.


We are watching the morals of our society be degraded at every level.
When we have no morals, we have no society (at least a civil society)

Took the words right out of my mouth. What other lifestyles do you see in our culture that are shoving their agenda and acceptance down our throats? Off the top my head, I can't think of any, except demonrats, which are usually one in the same or supporters of the "cause." I can't tell you how many Prius/Subaru (no offense to anyone here who drives a Subie) drivers have slapped on the Obama sticker with the little "=" right next to it that I've seen, but they appear to be EVERYWHERE. Gays are affecting everyone. When my friend tells me over a beer that he's worried his kid is being exposed to things he doesn't feel are age appropriate (6 years old) depicting the gay lifestyle on TV, news coverage of gays, Denver pride fest, and the guy is not exactly a choir boy, that's when you know you have a problem. This guy has even said he cannot go downtown during pride fest with his kid because of all the vile and disgusting crap that goes on. I'm not saying it's all gays, but you don't exactly see any of them checking the others and saying "hey, that's a bit much, tone it down." Meanwhile, if a guy is being a douche while open carrying, many of us here will put him in check. It just goes to show, the demeanor and behavior of the gay community (in general) is that we have to accept them for who they are. Well if you're walking around half naked in public with an outfit that would be blurred out on network TV you're not going for acceptance, you're going for shock.

[merl]

Really? Explain then the proliferation of HIV in our society.

IV drug use perhaps? Once it was actually discovered what was going on this became the primary path.
Yes, let us hold people responsible for a disease proliferating before it was even discovered.

You know, the majority of us enjoy our hobby (firearms) to the point where it is a "lifestyle". Some may view that as "abnormal".
But we do not demand to be accepted by society.

Unless you happen to be an open carry activist.

We do not demand "equal rights".

And what is the reaction around here to "no gun" signs? This is exactly what we are demanding; accept guns as a normal part of American life. We want guns to be accepted as a non-issue, something that doesn't matter. Sound familiar?

We do not demand that a retail establishment bow to our demands via an activist court.

If we thought for a second it would win we'd be all over it. How often do we simply ignore the wishes of a retail shop and carry inside anyway?

We do not promote immoral and perverted behaviors.

Ahh now we see the problem. Your definition of immoral and perverted decide your actions, not others.

No, gays don't affect anyone.


We are watching the morals of our society be degraded at every level.
When we have no morals, we have no society (at least a civil society)

What is moral is up to you. Actions that others take that do not affect you are not to be determined by your morality.
Everything you listed is activism designed to make being gay a non-issue, something that does not matter. The only reason it does matter is because it is "immoral and perverted" to you.

Now, this case, the couple could easily have gone to another source. They are not being totally denied a service. The judge should have told them to open yelp and find another baker.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

IV drug use perhaps? Once it was actually discovered what was going on this became the primary path.
Yes, let us hold people responsible for a disease proliferating before it was even discovered.

Not even close to the case. I've worked in two very large, separate health care systems right here in Denver.
The junkies count for typically around 10-15%. MSW and WSM in another small chunk. Predominantly, it is MSM.
Feel free to verify these stats nationally on CDC or whatever.

Abuse of needle drugs isn't safe, but it is a relatively minor contribution.


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Here, I'll do it for you: http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/...ansmission.htm



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What is moral is up to you. Actions that others take that do not affect you are not to be determined by your morality.
Everything you listed is activism designed to make being gay a non-issue, something that does not matter. The only reason it does matter is because it is "immoral and perverted" to you.

I don't think anyone here is defining or inventing or developing their own morality. This country was founded upon Judeo-Christian ethics and morality. Are we so "progressed" and "civilized" to deny this?

[Skip]

[snip]

I don't think anyone here is defining or inventing or developing their own morality. This country was founded upon Judeo-Christian ethics and morality. Are we so "progressed" and "civilized" to deny this?

What you're hitting on here is so important merl will probably ignore it.

The country no longer has a single coherent values system. Liberals have created moral relativism where morality is defined by emotion and what "feels good" to liberally educated youth. This is why everything is falling apart. This is why Obama was elected twice--people think they can take from others.

And merl doesn't understand that he fell for it.

Demoralization was an important step in the destruction of America.

http://virginiamargaritalibertyblog....ation-process/