RUFKM? Judge orders Colorado Cake Maker to serve gay couples

[Dave_L]

No because that is not what they serve. If they had a dish only served to Muslims, but not infidels, then you would have a case.

But they don't serve it based on religious beliefs and we can't limit others based off religious beliefs? I guess the difference would be the "official" reasoning for not serving it. If the baker just said he was too booked, he wouldn't be in this situation.

[Great-Kazoo]

But they don't serve it based on religious beliefs and we can't limit others based off religious beliefs? I guess the difference would be the "official" reasoning for not serving it. If the baker just said he was too booked, he wouldn't be in this situation.

An agenda doesn't care how busy you are. They only care about their Agenda.

[Skip]

No because that is not what they serve. If they had a dish only served to Muslims, but not infidels, then you would have a case.

No, but why haven't gays gone to a Mosque (ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY) and demanded to be married? No Muslim caterers or bakers? How about Hasidic Jews?

Notice it's always the Christians they attack... And that is why I've had it with them. If they want to just live their lives and be left alone, that is fine (many do just this). But the activists will never be happy with that. They want to force their values on others and it's gotten to the point they sexualize and indoctrinate children.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

This. The same for business targeted by Jess' rainbow coalition. Its extortion, forcing someone to do something against their will, via the courts.

And I would agree, which is why if I were the cake-maker, I'd make my own subtle statement as noted above.

[BPTactical]

gays are not affecting anyone so let em be.

Really? Explain then the proliferation of HIV in our society.

You know, the majority of us enjoy our hobby (firearms) to the point where it is a "lifestyle". Some may view that as "abnormal".
But we do not demand to be accepted by society.
We do not demand "equal rights".
We do not demand that a retail establishment bow to our demands via an activist court.
We do not promote immoral and perverted behaviors.

No, gays don't affect anyone.


We are watching the morals of our society be degraded at every level.
When we have no morals, we have no society (at least a civil society)

[Ronin13]

gays are not affecting anyone so let em be.

Really? Explain then the proliferation of HIV in our society.

You know, the majority of us enjoy our hobby (firearms) to the point where it is a "lifestyle". Some may view that as "abnormal".
But we do not demand to be accepted by society.
We do not demand "equal rights".
We do not demand that a retail establishment bow to our demands via an activist court.
We do not promote immoral and perverted behaviors.

No, gays don't affect anyone.


We are watching the morals of our society be degraded at every level.
When we have no morals, we have no society (at least a civil society)

Took the words right out of my mouth. What other lifestyles do you see in our culture that are shoving their agenda and acceptance down our throats? Off the top my head, I can't think of any, except demonrats, which are usually one in the same or supporters of the "cause." I can't tell you how many Prius/Subaru (no offense to anyone here who drives a Subie) drivers have slapped on the Obama sticker with the little "=" right next to it that I've seen, but they appear to be EVERYWHERE. Gays are affecting everyone. When my friend tells me over a beer that he's worried his kid is being exposed to things he doesn't feel are age appropriate (6 years old) depicting the gay lifestyle on TV, news coverage of gays, Denver pride fest, and the guy is not exactly a choir boy, that's when you know you have a problem. This guy has even said he cannot go downtown during pride fest with his kid because of all the vile and disgusting crap that goes on. I'm not saying it's all gays, but you don't exactly see any of them checking the others and saying "hey, that's a bit much, tone it down." Meanwhile, if a guy is being a douche while open carrying, many of us here will put him in check. It just goes to show, the demeanor and behavior of the gay community (in general) is that we have to accept them for who they are. Well if you're walking around half naked in public with an outfit that would be blurred out on network TV you're not going for acceptance, you're going for shock.

[merl]

Really? Explain then the proliferation of HIV in our society.

IV drug use perhaps? Once it was actually discovered what was going on this became the primary path.
Yes, let us hold people responsible for a disease proliferating before it was even discovered.

You know, the majority of us enjoy our hobby (firearms) to the point where it is a "lifestyle". Some may view that as "abnormal".
But we do not demand to be accepted by society.

Unless you happen to be an open carry activist.

We do not demand "equal rights".

And what is the reaction around here to "no gun" signs? This is exactly what we are demanding; accept guns as a normal part of American life. We want guns to be accepted as a non-issue, something that doesn't matter. Sound familiar?

We do not demand that a retail establishment bow to our demands via an activist court.

If we thought for a second it would win we'd be all over it. How often do we simply ignore the wishes of a retail shop and carry inside anyway?

We do not promote immoral and perverted behaviors.

Ahh now we see the problem. Your definition of immoral and perverted decide your actions, not others.

No, gays don't affect anyone.


We are watching the morals of our society be degraded at every level.
When we have no morals, we have no society (at least a civil society)

What is moral is up to you. Actions that others take that do not affect you are not to be determined by your morality.
Everything you listed is activism designed to make being gay a non-issue, something that does not matter. The only reason it does matter is because it is "immoral and perverted" to you.

Now, this case, the couple could easily have gone to another source. They are not being totally denied a service. The judge should have told them to open yelp and find another baker.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

IV drug use perhaps? Once it was actually discovered what was going on this became the primary path.
Yes, let us hold people responsible for a disease proliferating before it was even discovered.

Not even close to the case. I've worked in two very large, separate health care systems right here in Denver.
The junkies count for typically around 10-15%. MSW and WSM in another small chunk. Predominantly, it is MSM.
Feel free to verify these stats nationally on CDC or whatever.

Abuse of needle drugs isn't safe, but it is a relatively minor contribution.


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Here, I'll do it for you: http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/...ansmission.htm



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What is moral is up to you. Actions that others take that do not affect you are not to be determined by your morality.
Everything you listed is activism designed to make being gay a non-issue, something that does not matter. The only reason it does matter is because it is "immoral and perverted" to you.

I don't think anyone here is defining or inventing or developing their own morality. This country was founded upon Judeo-Christian ethics and morality. Are we so "progressed" and "civilized" to deny this?

[Skip]

[snip]

I don't think anyone here is defining or inventing or developing their own morality. This country was founded upon Judeo-Christian ethics and morality. Are we so "progressed" and "civilized" to deny this?

What you're hitting on here is so important merl will probably ignore it.

The country no longer has a single coherent values system. Liberals have created moral relativism where morality is defined by emotion and what "feels good" to liberally educated youth. This is why everything is falling apart. This is why Obama was elected twice--people think they can take from others.

And merl doesn't understand that he fell for it.

Demoralization was an important step in the destruction of America.

http://virginiamargaritalibertyblog....ation-process/

[Irving]

Why is merl being attacked now?