Quote Originally Posted by CoGirl303 View Post
it's not the product that matters really, it's the fact that a business is open to provide a service.

Until today's abomination of a ruling, the right to refuse service only applied to no shoes, no shirt no service/lack of proper attire, customers who got unruly/disorderly/violent, customers who disrupted the normal flow of business (i.e. were extremely filthy, contagious or smelling foul).

Anything else was considered discrimination.

This man's religious beliefs have absolutely nothing to do with baking a cake for a gay couple.

You're in business to provide a service. not pick and choose who you want to serve based on your mentally delusional sky daddy belief system that the majority of the public doesn't buy into.

Now if his business had been a membership only business, he could pick and choose who he wants to serve. SCOTUS dropped the ball big time.




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Quote Originally Posted by CoGirl303 View Post
He wasnt forced to endorse anything. He was asked to bake a cake! He wasnt asked to ordain the wedding ceremony. He wasn't asked to join them in matrimony.

He refused them only because they were gay and that is the definition of discrimination.

His religious bs has no place being used to decide which customer to serve or place limitations upon which services he will render to whom based on their sexuality.

His religious views are his and his alone. Not to be imposed upon anyone else.




The right to religious freedom is a personal one. You can worship as you please, choose your religion, your God, place of worship (church), whatever.

But it should not be allowable to weaponize your religion to the point where you deny someone a service at a business that is open to the general public.

In the case of the Colorado baker. he weaponized his religion and used it to discriminate against a couple only because they were gay.

What do you on your own time is your business. Forcing your belief system others is bovine scatology and that's exactly what happened in this case.




it's not quite that simple.

https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/t...-of-appearance


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Separating one's religion and other parts of life is a sure sign one has no actual belief in said religion.

That's like saying you're only married when you're physically with your spouse. Other than that, game on. Spiritual adultery, or an "open relationship", indicates no true love, no true belief, and you do not want to have anything to do with a person who operates in such a manner.

There are many businesses which operate solely on the basis of religious convictions, despite not refusing to sell to people from outside that religious belief so long as that sale does not entail the forced violation of their deeply held religious convictions. I'm not Jewish, but I can walk into a kosher deli tomorrow, obvious in my status as a goy, and they'll sell me all the kosher food I want. But I should not expect them to put cheese on my roast beef sandwich. Why? Because that's against the principles of kashrut law. Moreover, I should not expect a Jewish bakery to bake me a cake with a swastika on it (not that I'd want one), or the unedited name of God.

I should also not expect an Islamic bakery to make me a cake with decoration depicting a US Soldier taking a shit in Mohammed's mouth. Nor a cake that says, "Happy 3rd Anniversary/9th birthday Aisha!"

And I dare say that if those two guys had gone to a strict orthodox Jewish bakery, or a strict Islamic bakery, they'd have received the same answer they got from the Christian baker: no. I would bet that this would be a non-issue in such a case, too.

They wouldn't have dared do it. Not because they would foreknow the answer, but because they'd foreknow their petty little agenda-driven scheme wouldn't fly.