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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingman View Post
    Interesting watching the comments added to the thread. It is natural for people to take a limited set of facts and apply their preconceptions to them
    -he fired a round into someone else's residence. If one of my neighbors did that to my home, I would hope they lose their right to own firearms as I would not want to see if I could win the lottery twice and live through the next discharge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hatidua View Post
    -he fired a round into someone else's residence. If one of my neighbors did that to my home, I would hope they lose their right to own firearms as I would not want to see if I could win the lottery twice and live through the next discharge.
    Don't waste your time. the OP post less than 5x a month, has a fit because we're USING A LIMITED SET OF FACTS.
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    I am an insurance adjuster, so just for some compare and contrast I am attaching a police report for a claim I am working.

    THIS IS ALL PUBLIC RECORD
    AND I HAVE REDACTED ALL PERSONAL INFO

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    "It turns out that Colorado law makes a distinction between "conviction" and "judgement of conviction". Once that initial guilty plea is made, you are forever considered to be "convicted", even if the plea is later withdrawn and no "judgement of conviction" is ever issued by a court. Colorado precedent establishes that once you complete a felony deferred sentence you can never again possess firearms in Colorado. Federal law, at least as interpreted by the ATF, says that you can also never possess firearms in any other state."
    I waited a while after reading this thread and after having spoken with a criminal attorney and a ex-county prosecutor, they both think the above assertion is incorrect, as did I. I personally know more than one person who had felony deferred sentences and who are not currently prohibited from the owning, possession or purchase of firearms. I think your friend needs to focus on this issue and get better advice to be sure. A plea to a non-felony charge, as deferred would be better of course, but I understand why a DA would not offer that.

    Neither one of your case summary quotes supports your assertion either. The judgement of conviction only kicks in if the probation terms are not satisfied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowman78 View Post
    I am an insurance adjuster, so just for some compare and contrast I am attaching a police report for a claim I am working.

    THIS IS ALL PUBLIC RECORD
    AND I HAVE REDACTED ALL PERSONAL INFO

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    Interesting. This is more what I would have expected. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkCO View Post
    I waited a while after reading this thread and after having spoken with a criminal attorney and a ex-county prosecutor, they both think the above assertion is incorrect, as did I. I personally know more than one person who had felony deferred sentences and who are not currently prohibited from the owning, possession or purchase of firearms. I think your friend needs to focus on this issue and get better advice to be sure. A plea to a non-felony charge, as deferred would be better of course, but I understand why a DA would not offer that.

    Neither one of your case summary quotes supports your assertion either. The judgement of conviction only kicks in if the probation terms are not satisfied.

    At the risk of sounding like I was seeking advice, I will pass this information along. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jim View Post
    Don't waste your time. the OP post less than 5x a month, has a fit because we're USING A LIMITED SET OF FACTS.
    What fit? I've enjoyed the thread and pretty much all the posts. I think some of the comments are interesting in saying "oh, X clearly must have happened" when X didn't happen. But that's human nature.

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    I know a state trooper from Jeffco County who did the same thing. He had negligent discharge while drinking and handling a pistol. The Arvada policia showed up and just told him not to do it again.
    Last edited by DavieD55; 12-12-2013 at 21:04.

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    When things like this happen it should make everyone think about safety when even THINKING about handling guns. It's a story I wont forget for a while. Kind of like driving by bad car wreck, it's a refresher if not a wake-up call. TAKE NOTE!

    Even though no one was hurt, the law is not going to go the 'no harm, no foul' route on this one. Best of luck to K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hatidua View Post
    Boulder "screwed your friend out of owning firearms"? -nope, your friend did the screwing all by his lonesome.
    From the info given, that is what I'm coming up with as well. Doesn't make for an inflammatory title though.
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