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    Quote Originally Posted by generalmeow View Post
    my logic in arguing them is very good. I make good points to back up everything I say.
    No, it's not and no, you don't. Having said that, I don't bother with ignore lists because even a broken clock is right twice a day ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by UrbanWolf View Post
    Their ultimate goal, reduce gun enthusiasts.
    And additionally one of their goals is to undermine the respect for the law thus to eliminate the rule of law and facilitate institution of the "rule of men".
    Modern liberalism is based on the idea that reality is obligated to conform to one's beliefs because; "I have the right to believe whatever I want".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skip View Post
    So... Where are the 72 prosecutions? Lying on 4473 is a felony.

    I agree. Since prohibited persons were already unable to legally purchase/possess, this is likely their goal. It is now illegal for me to take a friend/acquaintance shooting.

    Technically, if I help my brother in law build an AR, I have probably broken this law. If he passes the lower to me for help we're now criminals. But that we never happen because everyone I know obeys the law all the time.
    Some say the laws are poorly worded. I think they put careful thoughts into wording the law the way it was written, in case they run into a law suit they can win by simply manipulate their "meaning" of the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skip View Post
    So... Where are the 72 prosecutions? Lying on 4473 is a felony.
    This should be pushed; also it was brought up that there were 35 "All Other" out of the 72 listed on the study. What the hell are they, and why would it have been so difficult to account for the other 35 even of there is only one denial for each individual reason? Another page on the report was too difficult? Also I found multiple articles that state that CBI dose not return a reason for denial. The system returns a "denial flag" and then sends it out without a reason attached. I don't know whether or not that is true, but that is what all the liberal post articles said after the first 10 came back for the month of July because they did not want to show how many were false positives. Also why is it that the "new state figures released" are not on a state page anywhere that I can find? They are a page owned by KDVR and there is no cite for the information.

    Either way, the main thing that I see in this is that there is no real accountability or fact check that can be run on the data other than denial. I am assuming that some of them were for residency issues as that is the most common one that I have seen. Someone has not lived in the state long enough to establish residency and it counts as a hard denial. If we are paying for these checks out of pocket, there better be a way to audit what we are paying for that is verifiable. If the data is correct, great 72 dickbags that gave up their right to own firearms did not get them. But why in the hell is it so hard to find real viable information that shows without a shadow of a doubt that it is working? Individual convictions for violation of lying on a 4473 would settle this issue for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter View Post
    No, it's not and no, you don't.
    How was my logic on that group buy?

    It's not often that there are real winners and losers in an arguement, because most of what we talk about is theoretical, but the 1% of the time that there is some tangible or determinable outcome to an arguement, I will almost always be on the right side of it. And I've noticed that it's especially true when the number of people arguing against me is much greater than the number of people arguing with me.

    My secret is that I instinctively look for any good reason to take a different position than the herd. I automatically jump to a position outside the box, and people hate me for that. But if I can find any good reason the herd might be wrong, the herd is almost always wrong. 99% of the time you're sitting in a field having a great time, in good company. Then 1% of the time they're taking you to the slaughterhouse and one of them jumps through a fence and gets away. I'm the one that gets away, because I'm always trying not to be in the herd.

    But because 99% of the time there are no real winners and losers in an argument, the herd continues to think that they're right 99% of the time because they live in an echo chamber and tell themselves that. And they say I'm just lucky the 1% of the time that it matters.

    And if you think you're right 99% of the time, and I'm constantly taking a different position, I don't blame you for thinking I'm an idiot. But that's not what's happening.

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    "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Sir Winston Churchill

    “It is well for that citizenry of nation are not understand banking and money system, if they are, I believe there would be revolution before Tuesday morning.” Henry Ford

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    Quote Originally Posted by generalmeow View Post
    How was my logic on that group buy?
    Pretty sure all anyone remembers is that you advocated profiteering, then took a buyout to "stand your ground".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rucker61 View Post
    Half the denials were for "other" reasons. I wonder what those are.
    I can tell you how a couple were. 1. 13 years ago a member and his wife were arrested for domestic violence and all charges were dropped. Last year one tried to buy a gun and was denied. After filing the appeal no problems since.

    2. A solider back when he was 17 was in a car with his uncle that got busted for drugs. the solider was charged along with the uncle but later determined that he knew nothing and was not involved. He was denied until he appealed and has since purchased a gun.

    Just two real life denials that later turned out to be false.
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