Want to know why 22lr is hard to find?

[merl]

Sit back, enjoy the ride, we'll see this all over again in Spring 2017 after the next election, count on it.

Here is to hoping for 2 years without some whack job killing a dozen random people for the fame. Maybe then there will be a lull allowing a restock.

(and 14k is a good amount of 22 but not "alot" if you buy it by the 10k case)

[Aloha_Shooter]

You're either for the free market or you're not.

One caveat to this in my mind. I disagree with scalping when the seller got a particularly good deal with the understanding that the original purchases were for personal use. My example here is the CMP: guns and ammo were made available at exceptionally good prices. Ammo prices rose when some scum bucket drove up to the loading dock and took every available box of ammo and promptly sold them off for substantial profit. I signed a statement saying I wasn't buying my CMP ammo (or Garands or Carbines) for resale so it's not.

[mtnrider]

One caveat to this in my mind. I disagree with scalping when the seller got a particularly good deal with the understanding that the original purchases were for personal use. My example here is the CMP: guns and ammo were made available at exceptionally good prices. Ammo prices rose when some scum bucket drove up to the loading dock and took every available box of ammo and promptly sold them off for substantial profit. I signed a statement saying I wasn't buying my CMP ammo (or Garands or Carbines) for resale so it's not.

I agree completely. I am all for free market but there comes a point when you are just taking advantage of a bad situation. For me it's about doing the right thing and having some integrity. I can never know for sure but given the types of 22 this guy has I can pretty much bet he was one of those guys at Bass pro going in and out the door time after time with arms full of 22 with no intention of using it himself.
Just like the guy I ran into at Wal Mart a few weeks back bragging on how many times he went in and grabbed 22lr. (Over 30,000 rounds only for profit). Pisses me off when I see some father and son that just want to go plink a few rounds only to find the self bare because of some greedy profiteer. Hopefully Karma will catch up with these people.

[Badger]

I'm confused. If this thread is designed as some sort of ruse then mods, please delete my comment. If its for real, then guess I'll stock up while my source is ridiculously abundant as usual and just roll on.

Badger

[kidicarus13]

Free markets and doing the right thing/integrity are mutually exclusive and not to be used in the same sentence.

I'll take "Spring 2017 for another run on ammo before President Clinton gets elected" for $1000 Alex.

[Bailey Guns]

One man's scalper/gouger is another man's supplier and savior in time of need. In a supply and demand market like we have there's no such thing as price gouging. You're either willing to pay a price for a product or you're not. If you don't buy the product it gives someone else the opportunity to buy it and you save your money for something else. If it doesn't sell at the asking price, the price is adjusted until it does sell. You're also free not to conduct business with that person or business in the future.

Your poor father and son example who don't have .22 ammo to go shoot will most likely have some next time there's a shortage if they've learned their lesson...or they won't. Nobody has the right to have ammo in any particular quantity or at any particular price with the exception of the amount that's for sale at the asking or agreed upon price. If you have the means and you're willing to pay the price, you buy it. If not...tough. I want a nice house in the middle of 1000 acres with my own shooting range. But the real estate market and my own marketable skills being what they are, guess what I don't have?

Yes. It really is that simple.

As to signing an agreement with CMP...then that's really not a free market transaction. The CMP set rules for a sale and they can choose to enforce those rules against that seller if they choose and if they're aware it's going on (did you or anyone else notify them of the "scalper's" activities?) and if the seller signed the same agreement. I've purchased 2 or 3 rifles from the CMP and sold all but one...the best one I wanted to keep. I never signed anything that said I couldn't resell the item(s) I bought. It does say it's for personal use. I personally used it until I found a rifle that I wanted more than the first one then sold it. I didn't violate any CMP agreement. I've also bought several cans of Greek '06 ammo. I decided I got too much and sold a couple. I made a few dollars on all of those sales. I don't feel guilty for doing it and don't think I violated the spirit of the CMP program because the persons who purchased the items were very happy with the items I had for sale at the price I was asking.

I don't like the fact that some ammo prices are very high and availability is very limited...at the time I could use some more .22WMR but that's not the point. The point is I understand economics when it comes to the (relatively) free market and the theory of supply and demand well enough that you can bet your ass when .22WMR is available again at a reasonable price (that would be a price I am willing to pay...not necessarily anyone else) I'll be stocking up if my means permit it.

Price gouging is a myth, pure and simple. If you don't understand and believe that then you don't have an understanding of how a free market and capitalism works. At all. Because that's it at it's very basic level.

[Bailey Guns]

Free markets and doing the right thing/integrity are mutually exclusive and not to be used in the same sentence.

Maybe, maybe not. It's all relative to how much one wants or needs something.

If you had an illness and were living in times of a disaster when you needed a life-saving medication and someone had that medication but wanted $X price for it and you didn't have it, you'd probably feel the seller lacked integrity and/or wasn't doing the right thing. If another guy came along with a child who had the same illness and needed the same medication and had the money and was willing to pay it he might feel he owed his child's life to the seller and thought he was the greatest person in the world.

Like I said...it's all relative.

[mtnrider]

I guess some of us have morals, some do not. It's that simple.

[Bailey Guns]

I guess some of us have morals, some do not. It's that simple.

Then why don't you take a stab at explaining how price controls and rationing fit into a free market economy? I'll patiently wait for your answer.

Additionally you could read some of the writings from people a lot more educated on the issue than you or I am. Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams would be a good place to start.

[Bailey Guns]

This isn't the first time this subject has been discussed here. There are always two sides...the side that argues from emotion because they "feel" things should be different and those that argue from a free market economy perspective. It always ends the same, too. Someone gets butt hurt.