Have we lost our Patriotism?

[Zundfolge]

Actually, the death of the Founding Father's Ideals started in 1937...

No actually the death of the Founding Fathers' Ideals started in 1913 with the rise of the Progressive movement and the presidency of Woodrow Wilson.


We tend to think of the unpatriotic as being leftists, but more and more I'm seeing conservatives losing their patriotism ... hell I'm nowhere near as patriotic as I used to be because more and more I believe that America (the government and its institutions) are becoming the very enemy of the people that our Constitution was written to counter.

I'm deeply committed to the ideals of the founders, but I don't believe that America (the government and its institutions) are even remotely connected to those ideals anymore and America (the people and culture) are headed away from those ideals as well.

How can I remain a patriot when America isn't America anymore?

My Grandfather was the most patriotic man I've ever known ... all I can say is that I'm glad he died while Reagan was still president so he didn't have to see what's become of his beloved nation.

[MED]

My Grandfather was the most patriotic man I've ever known ... all I can say is that I'm glad he died while Reagan was still president so he didn't have to see what's become of his beloved nation.

I think this is why my dad is developing altizimers; it is a defence mechanism from watching the decay. Both my parents make comments that they are ready to go; they don't want to watch.

[Ronin13]

We can't be a united nation because socialism and liberty are mutually exclusive.

Indeed! Touche!

No actually the death of the Founding Fathers' Ideals started in 1913 with the rise of the Progressive movement and the presidency of Woodrow Wilson.

We tend to think of the unpatriotic as being leftists, but more and more I'm seeing conservatives losing their patriotism ... hell I'm nowhere near as patriotic as I used to be because more and more I believe that America (the government and its institutions) are becoming the very enemy of the people that our Constitution was written to counter.

I'm deeply committed to the ideals of the founders, but I don't believe that America (the government and its institutions) are even remotely connected to those ideals anymore and America (the people and culture) are headed away from those ideals as well.

How can I remain a patriot when America isn't America anymore?

My Grandfather was the most patriotic man I've ever known ... all I can say is that I'm glad he died while Reagan was still president so he didn't have to see what's become of his beloved nation.

Well put, however the socialist is soulless, and those who were supposed to be champions of liberty (conservatives) are losing their souls at an alarming rate... By souls I'm referring to the American Patriot Soul. Do not look to Washington for patriots, they're all corrupt and cowardly with a severe lacking in patriotism, if you want a real patriot, look to real life heroes like Marcus Luttrell, Colion Noir, Bill Whittle, Greg Brophy, and Michael Brown.

[blacklabel]

I'm deeply committed to the ideals of the founders, but I don't believe that America (the government and its institutions) are even remotely connected to those ideals anymore and America (the people and culture) are headed away from those ideals as well.

How can I remain a patriot when America isn't America anymore?

I've struggled with this a lot lately. The more I realize how far gone American politics are, the more I realize that I need to focus on my own personal liberty outside of the political cluster.


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[MED]

No actually the death of the Founding Fathers' Ideals started in 1913 with the rise of the Progressive movement and the presidency of Woodrow Wilson.

Woodrow Wilson was certainly a douch, but the first wound on the constitution was in 1937. Until then, limits were placed on government. The consequences of the civil war and the move to federalism is an interesting area of study.

[Zundfolge]

Woodrow Wilson was certainly a douch, but the first wound on the constitution was in 1937. Until then, limits were placed on government. The consequences of the civil war and the move to federalism is an interesting area of study.

The first wounds on the constitution were in 1913 with the 16th and 17th amendments ... which came about because of the rise of the Progressive movement and the Wilson presidency.

If you don't buy that (since you are establishing the line as "limits placed on government") then the first wound was 1919 with the passage of the 18th amendment (which used the constitution to limit the rights of the people instead of the power of the government for the first time).

My only point is that America has been infected with the disease of the left for longer than people realize. At this point the damage is what it is so it's somewhat academic to argue when the first wound was inflicted.

[MED]

The first wounds on the constitution were in 1913 with the 16th and 17th amendments ... which came about because of the rise of the Progressive movement and the Wilson presidency.

If you don't buy that (since you are establishing the line as "limits placed on government") then the first wound was 1919 with the passage of the 18th amendment (which used the constitution to limit the rights of the people instead of the power of the government for the first time).

My only point is that America has been infected with the disease of the left for longer than people realize. At this point the damage is what it is so it's somewhat academic to argue when the first wound was inflicted.

This would be an interesting discussion. The progressive movement and women's suffrage was a progression from the abolitionist movement. It is rather interesting to trace it back. At least the amendments followed a process, and I am OK with that even though I may or may not agree with them. If the programs in the New Deal followed the same process where say Social Security was created and limited to a program authorized by an amendment to the constitution, I might disagree but a least it would be defined and limited. However, by circumventing this process, anything can happen and it has. By opening the Commerce Clause as a catch all to any government program, we now have a multi-trillion dollar budget full of entitlement programs, the EPA, etc. I understand that this is the Nirvana of the people you mention, but it is their victory and the foundation of what we have today. And yes, the 16th amendment was a really stupid move!

[spqrzilla]

Woodrow Wilson was certainly a douch, but the first wound on the constitution was in 1937. Until then, limits were placed on government. The consequences of the civil war and the move to federalism is an interesting area of study.

Woodrow Wilson had people rounded up and jailed for advocating resistance to the WWI era draft. It was the most repressive time in modern US history. Wilson was the worst President in modern history - the current douche is just crowded him in second place.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Woodrow Wilson had people rounded up and jailed for advocating resistance to the WWI era draft. It was the most repressive time in modern US history. Wilson was the worst President in modern history - the current douche is just crowded him in second place.

Woodrow Wilson had the worst foreign policy of any President in American history ... until Barack Obama.
FDR had the worst economic policy of any President in American history ... until Barack Obama.
FDR had the most unConstitutional Presidency in American history ... until Barack Obama.
Jimmy Carter was the most incompetent President in American history ... until Barack Obama.

Hey, BHO is #1 in four different categories!