Another College Shooting Today

[BPTactical]

Dammit, and I was trying for Cro-Magnon man and only made it to Neanderthal.




In no way shape or form was I attempting to justify the trigger man's actions. Homicide is homicide regardless of the reason.

[Ronin13]

It is not a question of where it occurred, or who was involved, and the question of his personality is uncertain at this point., although I suspect just as you, that it was planned.

My point is well made by your post.
How in the world can you even begin to justify a shooting because you failed and lost your scholarship???? Really??? Do you realize that the anti's read these forums, and such remarks make everyone who is pro gun look like a neanderthal just looking for a chance to prove himself? I doubt many that are ready to vote for more gun control would see that as justifiable..... and they certainly will not look at it as responsible gun ownership.

I have to believe that you simply overstated your position. Anyone that owns firearms, has the responsibility to remove themselves from a situation as you describe..... Imagine telling the judge, "but he failed me." Is that really the image you wish to portray? When the battle starts again in the legislature, you can tell them you want to keep your gun in case someone wants to give you a failing grade, (assuming you were in school) and I will tell them I want to keep mine because someone who received a failing grade feels a gun is the appropriate response.........

The victim's behaviour may well have deserved a country a** kicking, I do not know, but I am certain that defending the shooter because he may have been given a failing grade, is exactly what the anti's will use against you down the road.

At any rate. many seem top feel that these acts are justified, for whatever reason, and I disagree, whether it be at a theater, college, mall, or whatever. That is precisely the reason I believe we should "be better" than that, and show those who want to take my 2nd ammendment rights away, that I believe in personal protection, and responsibility. BTW Where have I been the last 4 years........Thanking those still in the military, and trying to convince legislators and voters that pro gun people are very responsible.....

I'm done.

That's a bit of a stretch... I don't think Bert was making the connection that the victim deserved it. I think the point he was making was that we all should be more respectful of each other, you never know where the psycho, nutty whack jobs are...

[crays]

Really???? Over 5000 posts, and you have nothing more constructive than that?????

Our son is a student in the Engineering school, and was in an adjacent building 4-500 yards away...
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...I have waited until, today to, respond for several reasons...
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... I wanted to make certain that my emotions are somewhat In check...

And, yet, I have to feel that you would still be waiting, past today, to respond, if this had occurred at any number of other Colleges/Universites around the nation.

I'm not trying to discredit your stance, but maybe you should take a look at that last bolded portion I stripped out of your quote. I am certain that you are emotionally, and intellectually, distraught right now, and understandably so. Any other forum member in the same circumstance would likely be, also. Perhaps "Preaching at the Choir" [at, not to] may apply a bit here.
Very sorry that your son was so closely tied to this instance, but very happy he was not immediately involved.
That said, I, and I am sure EVERY OTHER forum member, wish you, your son, and your family a healthy and speedy resolution in this matter, with no lasting detriment.

End of Response. Sorry for so many commas.

[KestrelBike]

Anyone else see about an hour ago on FoxNews their red banner "BREAKING NEWS: REPORTED SCHOOL SHOOTING IN FLORIDA" [I think, I can't remember where it was exactly] And an hour later, *poof* no story. I'll take Fox over the rest of the MSM any day of the week, but damn they need to stop being chicken little.

[speedysst]

Just read the story. Victim was in a fight with two other men, went to his car to get his gun and shot one of the assailants in the chest.

[muddywings]

Just read the story. Victim was in a fight with two other men, went to his car to get his gun and shot one of the assailants in the chest.

just saw that too.
I'm going to hold judgement until more info comes forward.
This could be a case of someone getting their butt kicked/car jacking and the law abiding citizen was bending the school policy a tad by leaving his CCW in his car. Maybe he's the good guy who retreated to his car and defended him self?? hoping so....


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/30...cmp=latestnews

Eastern Florida State was put on a brief lockdown Thursday afternoon after one person was shot in a parking lot on its Palm Bay campus.
The victim was listed in critical condition and taken to a nearby hospital, Palm Bay Police said in a statement. The shooting suspect was also taken to the hospital for injuries that were sustained prior to the shooting, police said. A third person who may have been involved is being questioned by police.
Police told MyFoxOrlando.com that three people were involved in a fight. Palm Bay police reported that two men were attacking another man. The man being attacked retreated to his vehicle, where he grabbed a gun and shot one of his attackers in the chest, the report said.
Police considered the shooting scene secure


the fact that this is already second tier on Fox's website and not showing on CNN or MSNBC tells me they are either slow to the game or maybe something doesn't match their agenda

and more here:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...oting/5059041/

(yes, I'm kinda bored today without much to do...)

[Hound]

MntMan made a flippant response. After so many posts from many of us, it starts to be..... Redundant. We are all tired of these shootings but know there is little we can personally do. We fight where we can and support where we can't. What we do know is that taking away the guns is not the answer. Screagle2 is right in that there is a dirth of good ideas. Going after mental illness..... How can any of us prove we are sane from one minute to the next (why should We have to. Piss somebody off enough and bad things will happen regardless of a gun, knife or bat being near) and all of us on this forum refuse to put that power in the Gov hands (right or left) lightly. The all or nothing stance from the right has gotten us the BS laws of 2013 but giving even an inch makes the lefts idea of a mile seem like a lightyear. Answers.... are hard to come by when neither side has ANY trust of the other. Many of us have spent a lot of time last year trying to talk only to be railroaded into BS "public hearings". That being said the only reason some of the laws were shut down was that in quiet moments amongst the roar, that was last year, some people did talk .... just enough to hear the insanity in those dead laws. I might add it was Dems doing the listening, the right had no power. Both sides of this 'debate' are so dug in, those moments are more and more rare. Screagle2 once you have been on here more you will find all types of people but the vast majority, while I don't always agree with, are good people with differing points of view. That is one of the strengths here. I would be amazed if you were banned... Flaming... I will probably catch some myself. We are all big boys here.

[Hound]

just saw that too.
I'm going to hold judgement until more info comes forward.
This could be a case of someone getting their butt kicked/car jacking and the law abiding citizen was bending the school policy a tad by leaving his CCW in his car. Maybe he's the good guy who retreated to his car and defended him self?? hoping so....


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/30...cmp=latestnews

Eastern Florida State was put on a brief lockdown Thursday afternoon after one person was shot in a parking lot on its Palm Bay campus.
The victim was listed in critical condition and taken to a nearby hospital, Palm Bay Police said in a statement. The shooting suspect was also taken to the hospital for injuries that were sustained prior to the shooting, police said. A third person who may have been involved is being questioned by police.
Police told MyFoxOrlando.com that three people were involved in a fight. Palm Bay police reported that two men were attacking another man. The man being attacked retreated to his vehicle, where he grabbed a gun and shot one of his attackers in the chest, the report said.
Police considered the shooting scene secure


the fact that this is already second tier on Fox's website and not showing on CNN or MSNBC tells me they are either slow to the game or maybe something doesn't match their agenda

and more here:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...oting/5059041/

(yes, I'm kinda bored today without much to do...)

I think, as many have skirted around, that we need to push for less sensationalism around a location that previously had a "mass" in front of it trying to tie in a straight forward murder (if that is what this is). If some nut job is in a bell tower taking out multiple people that is not the same as a pissed off person getting revenge on an asshole. Neither is justifiable but it is also not acceptable to link one to another.

[XC700116]

No, there was not shootings on a daily or weekly or even monthly basis. I seriously challenge your assertion. Were there shootings, yes without doubt, and does the media coverage accentuate it, yes again. You missed my point. The media coverage is, I believe,mine the the things that needs to be addressed.

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I'll just put this here

Source http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/...ublic-unaware/

Looking back 50 years, the U.S. gun homicide rate began rising in the 1960s, surged in the 1970s, and hit peaks in 1980 and the early 1990s. (The number of homicides peaked in the early 1990s.) The plunge in homicides after that meant that firearm homicide rates in the late 2000s were equal to those not seen since the early 1960s.¹ The sharp decline in the U.S. gun homicide rate, combined with a slower decrease in the gun suicide rate, means that gun suicides now account for six-in-ten firearms deaths, the highest share since at least 1981

[XC700116]

Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...lers:_Americas

I continue to contend that this is nothing new, it's just much more in your face.