Another College Shooting Today

[HoneyBadger]

Really???? Over 5000 posts, and you have nothing more constructive than that?????

Our son is a student in the Engineering school, and was in an adjacent building 4-500 yards away. He is a strong constitutionalist, and supporter of ALL of the BIll of RIghts, not just the 2nd Ammendment. If it were legal, he would have a CCW permit.

Why why is no one offering well thought ideas as to how to deal with the obvious mental health issues that precipitate these acts?

How about discussion regarding electing judges that understand, and believe that the innocent also have rights, and those rights should not be usurped by the criminal?

Why is there no one asking if video games have a bearing on the acceptance of this type of violence, and how to curb that influence?

Why no discourse in regards to the privacy act, and how it effectively negates potential intervention with people who show tendencies towards these horrendous acts? Think about the Aurora killer, and his protections of privacy, as well as what has come out in the Arapahoe case.

I am NOT, nor is my son, a supporter of gun free zones, but consider this. I went to college I 1975, and even then, firearms were NOT allowed on most campuses, yet we did not see these things happening. Neither of us believe that in this specific case, the outcome would have much chance of being different, had the victim been armed. The reason being, as pointed out in the only post that seems to have been thought out, this was a murder, an execution, and the victim could not have responded quickly enough.
I do however believe that a well trained, and armed bystander might well have been able to stop more people being harmed, had that been the objective of the shooter.

IU, which is the CU of Indiana, has recognized the right of their students to provide protection for themselves in the manner of CCW, if they have successfully completed a qualified course., Think about that for a minute... Why IU, and not CU? I am going to address this with the regents at Purdue, and I will do my level best, to, so through pragmatic conversation.

I suspect that that before now, most above, are flaming me for being liberal or GC advocate etc., etc., which I am neither. I will wager that my efforts to preserve our rights, and our Constitution, are not insignificant. I have waited until, today to,respond for several reasons. I wanted to make certain that my emotions are somewhat In check, and I had hoped for meaningful posts, not just cynical, pissing in the wind as to what we do not like. I had hoped to gain more ideas, and achieve some balance, rather than pure hatred for the person who did this

I strongly believe that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, must be defended at all cost.
I also believe that these senseless acts of violence, must be brought under control, not only to preserve our society, but also to quiet some of the efforts to weaken or disregard the 2nd Ammendment,

Flame me, ban me, do, as you will, but I am willing to wager that few, if any of you have considered viable, workable solutions to these things, while also considering changing my EDC.

I believe there are solutions, but no matter how much better it may make us feel to bitch and moan and complain, that release. is all there is.

To make light of these acts however, does provide strength to the arguments that others use to take away our rights.

lol where have you been for the past 4 years??




And by that I mean why haven't you contributed to or even seen the hundreds of discussions of these issues that we've already had? Mtn.man probably doesn't have anything more constructive to add because it's all already been said numerous times. Hundreds of times.

Welcome to the forum.

[XC700116]

Really???? Over 5000 posts, and you have nothing more constructive than that?????

Our son is a student in the Engineering school, and was in an adjacent building 4-500 yards away. He is a strong constitutionalist, and supporter of ALL of the BIll of RIghts, not just the 2nd Ammendment. If it were legal, he would have a CCW permit.

Why why is no one offering well thought ideas as to how to deal with the obvious mental health issues that precipitate these acts?
As mentioned, it's been hashed and re-hashed a hundred times already
How about discussion regarding electing judges that understand, and believe that the innocent also have rights, and those rights should not be usurped by the criminal?

Why is there no one asking if video games have a bearing on the acceptance of this type of violence, and how to curb that influence?

Been done already, and honestly, the answer is raise your kids instead of expecting the nanny state to do it (not you specifically, in general)

Why no discourse in regards to the privacy act, and how it effectively negates potential intervention with people who show tendencies towards these horrendous acts? Think about the Aurora killer, and his protections of privacy, as well as what has come out in the Arapahoe case.

So privacy and the 1st and 4th amendments should just be tossed in the name of safety?? I believe we are better than that. The problem lies with the selective enforcement of the safeguards already in place.

I am NOT, nor is my son, a supporter of gun free zones, but consider this. I went to college I 1975, and even then, firearms were NOT allowed on most campuses, yet we did not see these things happening. Neither of us believe that in this specific case, the outcome would have much chance of being different, had the victim been armed. The reason being, as pointed out in the only post that seems to have been thought out, this was a murder, an execution, and the victim could not have responded quickly enough.
I do however believe that a well trained, and armed bystander might well have been able to stop more people being harmed, had that been the objective of the shooter.

To the statement in bold, I disagree, you just didn't hear about it because of the lack of instant national headlines like we have today. See the 1966 Bell tower shooting in Austin Texas if you need an example. In 1975 unless you were in the immediate area or had family or friends at Purdue, you wouldn't have even heard about this.

IU, which is the CU of Indiana, has recognized the right of their students to provide protection for themselves in the manner of CCW, if they have successfully completed a qualified course., Think about that for a minute... Why IU, and not CU? I am going to address this with the regents at Purdue, and I will do my level best, to, so through pragmatic conversation.

Valid and good points, you won't get many arguments here on this one.

I suspect that that before now, most above, are flaming me for being liberal or GC advocate etc., etc., which I am neither. I will wager that my efforts to preserve our rights, and our Constitution, are not insignificant. I have waited until, today to,respond for several reasons. I wanted to make certain that my emotions are somewhat In check, and I had hoped for meaningful posts, not just cynical, pissing in the wind as to what we do not like. I had hoped to gain more ideas, and achieve some balance, rather than pure hatred for the person who did this

I strongly believe that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, must be defended at all cost.
I also believe that these senseless acts of violence, must be brought under control, not only to preserve our society, but also to quiet some of the efforts to weaken or disregard the 2nd Ammendment,

Flame me, ban me, do, as you will, but I am willing to wager that few, if any of you have considered viable, workable solutions to these things, while also considering changing my EDC.

I believe there are solutions, but no matter how much better it may make us feel to bitch and moan and complain, that release. is all there is.

To make light of these acts however, does provide strength to the arguments that others use to take away our rights.

I get it, you're pissed at the fact that your son just had this happen in his building and like any good parent you're reacting to the fact that your son is going to a fairly prestigious school and with all that it took and takes to get/go there, and how responsible he has to be for everything he does, he's not allowed to be responsible for his own safety and self defense. I'd be pissed too. But honestly with the constant hammering of each and every murder that takes place in or around a school being the daily poster subject for gun control, most here have just become extremely weary of the subject and have become cynical about it. Simple fact is with the way society is going, we're going to see more of this and not less. Just look around, those that take personal responsibility for themselves and their actions are becoming a rare breed. It's sad, it sucks, it's disheartening, but until people and society in general takes a stand and changes, the situation and it's results aren't going to.

[screagle2]

I would say that simply bitching about "laws" has gone on for hundreds of posts, and to what end? The assertion of vehicle deaths is somewhat analogous, is simply not going to carry weight with the voting public, and those people who are unsure of their support, and are looking for an approach they can support, and we can live with, are the ones we need on our side. I see no way to do this, other than offer reasonable solutions.

I believe I was clear about ALL amendments! but the 1st and 4th, likewise, should not overshadow the 2nd.

No, there was not shootings on a daily or weekly or even monthly basis. I seriously challenge your assertion. Were there shootings, yes without doubt, and does the media coverage accentuate it, yes again. You missed my point. The media coverage is, I believe,mine the the things that needs to be addressed.

We can disagree with portions, but your last paragraph illustrates my points. I am saying that the chance of someone who simply makes feel good posts, has probably not sat and wondered if their (my) stance has added to the danger for their child..........I still feel as strongly now as before, but that kind of reflection forces one to soon discard all that is simply "noise."

It is not about how prestigious the school is. This is about all schools and students.

We can either choose to influence and try to direct the debate, or we can live with the outcome of simply complaining......

If we cannot offer well reasoned discussion to support our beliefs, then who?
FWIW, I read several forums, and 2 newspapers daily, with just as much disgust as I would guess you often feel, but I choose to only post when I cannot ignore what is being said.

[Irving]

The stats on "mass" shootings are available. I believe the numbers were an average of 20 per year (25 on high years) for the last 34 years. We just had thread recently about this very subject, but I can't immediately recall the title.

[osok-308]

Yeah, not so much a college shooting as a straightforward murder.

[BPTactical]

And in reading some posts on "that other site" where some members actually attend Purdue and some have had classes with the TA that was killed this was a planned homicide.
Apparently the TA had quite a reputation for being an asshole to the students in his classes. It sounded as if he was vindictive and willfully failed students he did not like, even though their academics were acceptable.
How would you like to find out your scholarship was cancelled because a dick head TA failed you out of spite?
Actions have consequences. On both sides of the coin.

[Gman]

The stats on "mass" shootings are available. I believe the numbers were an average of 20 per year (25 on high years) for the last 34 years. We just had thread recently about this very subject, but I can't immediately recall the title.

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/123973-...ite-Media-Hype

This appears to be targeted. People have been killing other people since the beginning of mankind. They just use the tools common for their time.

[Ronin13]

Stupid. When are we going to stop making such a difference between colleges and the rest of the country? Really? What is the difference between Auraria Campus and that strip mall on the other side of Colfax? I don't honestly see one, except maybe there is a Burger King on the South side of Colfax. So if someone shoots someone in Downtown Chicago, and someone shoots someone at Purdue, really what is the difference? Because one is a "College Campus"? Bad things can happen anywhere. I guess that's the point I'm making. No sense in making anything a "gun free zone."

[davsel]

YOU WANT ANSWERS?


1) Stop prescribing psychotropic drugs
2) Refill the asylums that were emptied in the '80s
3) Repeal all gun laws

Let society sort it out

[screagle2]

And in reading some posts on "that other site" where some members actually attend Purdue and some have had classes with the TA that was killed this was a planned homicide.
Apparently the TA had quite a reputation for being an asshole to the students in his classes. It sounded as if he was vindictive and willfully failed students he did not like, even though their academics were acceptable.
How would you like to find out your scholarship was cancelled because a dick head TA failed you out of spite?
Actions have consequences. On both sides of the coin.

It is not a question of where it occurred, or who was involved, and the question of his personality is uncertain at this point., although I suspect just as you, that it was planned.

My point is well made by your post.
How in the world can you even begin to justify a shooting because you failed and lost your scholarship???? Really??? Do you realize that the anti's read these forums, and such remarks make everyone who is pro gun look like a neanderthal just looking for a chance to prove himself? I doubt many that are ready to vote for more gun control would see that as justifiable..... and they certainly will not look at it as responsible gun ownership.

I have to believe that you simply overstated your position. Anyone that owns firearms, has the responsibility to remove themselves from a situation as you describe..... Imagine telling the judge, "but he failed me." Is that really the image you wish to portray? When the battle starts again in the legislature, you can tell them you want to keep your gun in case someone wants to give you a failing grade, (assuming you were in school) and I will tell them I want to keep mine because someone who received a failing grade feels a gun is the appropriate response.........

The victim's behaviour may well have deserved a country a** kicking, I do not know, but I am certain that defending the shooter because he may have been given a failing grade, is exactly what the anti's will use against you down the road.

At any rate. many seem top feel that these acts are justified, for whatever reason, and I disagree, whether it be at a theater, college, mall, or whatever. That is precisely the reason I believe we should "be better" than that, and show those who want to take my 2nd ammendment rights away, that I believe in personal protection, and responsibility. BTW Where have I been the last 4 years........Thanking those still in the military, and trying to convince legislators and voters that pro gun people are very responsible.....

I'm done.