SB 14-93 Repeal the Background Check for private sales

[GunsRBadMMMMKay]

Does anyone have access to what the denials where actually from (at least generic stat wise, like domestic "charges", unpaid parking tickets or child support, etc.), other then "because we said so"? I seriously doubt a lot of paroled rapists and murderers where lined up at walmart to buy shotguns like these idiots would have you believe.

And I agree, bottom line is money - but registration and control are right up there. What would a bureaucrat do without bureaucracy? I doubt they could flip burgers......they probably can't follow simple instructions...

[BlasterBob]

So, if a BATF Agent observes a firearm transfer being made by two individuals here in Colorado and he somehow absolutely knows there has been no legitimate BGC, is it his/her duty to advise the proper local CO LEO of this violation? Apparently the Federal enforcement and/ or prosecuting people feel such violations of wrongfully completing Form 4473 (perjury) is not worth pursuing, why then even have such laws on the books if they are NOT going to be actively enforced. Also, when BATF legal beagles were assembling the wording for Form 4473, do you think they were convinced that the perjury charge would be enforceable/prosecutable or did they believe that it might just be an excellent scare tactic??????

[Zundfolge]

Does anyone have access to what the denials where actually from (at least generic stat wise, like domestic "charges", unpaid parking tickets or child support, etc.), other then "because we said so"?

I unfortunately can't find a source for this, but the vast majority of denials from false positives are because the legitimate buyer has the same name as a dirtbag.

I did a zabasearch for "Eric Harris" in "Colorado" and it came back with 12 hits and a search for "Jason Brown" in "Colorado" came back with 42 hits (There is currently a Jason Brown on the FBI's 10 most wanted list) I'll bet any time one of those guys tries to buy a gun they have problems.

[hatidua]

They don't care about causing an inconvenience or the cost involved. They think it stopped over 100 people from getting a gun, to them it is worth it.

I actually don't think they care in the least about this as a safety measure. It's about pandering to their base. If their base wanted legislation that banned okra, just because, -they'd push a ban on okra.

[Rucker61]

No it doesn't. HB 13-1229 requires the completion of a background check, but has zero language in it about the 4473 form, about lying or omitting on the form, or anything to do with the form at all.

Miscommunication. By "that law", I was referring to HB 13-1229, which includes language about those who violate provisions are committing a class 1 misdemeanor.

The crux of the arguments have been that a person who is knowingly prohibited, fills out a 4473 and lies on it, then is prohibited from buying the firearm, why isn't there any enforcement of the attempted fraud, which is the falsification on the federal form 4473.

That sounds like work. Besides, the perp is magically unable to get a gun in any other means. He failed a background check.

[newracer]

Does anyone have access to what the denials where actually from (at least generic stat wise, like domestic "charges", unpaid parking tickets or child support, etc.), other then "because we said so"? I seriously doubt a lot of paroled rapists and murderers where lined up at walmart to buy shotguns like these idiots would have you believe.

And I agree, bottom line is money - but registration and control are right up there. What would a bureaucrat do without bureaucracy? I doubt they could flip burgers......they probably can't follow simple instructions...

http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite.../1251622199088

[Great-Kazoo]

FWIW: at one time CBI would ask FFL's to stall someone who had a denial , IF they had a warrant . I witness 3 folks leave a store i was "employeed" at years ago with outstandings. 2 of them failed to pay speeding tickets / show up for court. The other one had something mixed up with his last name.

[DOC]

I was there and testified. 1 3 out of 5 didn't give a shit about facts. 2 they said 102 people were stopped from transferring a gun (and they couldn't tell if it was through private sales or retail sales) but they said if it could have stopped one murder would it be worth it? I asked if it did stop one murder or was that just wishful thinking? 3. I stepped on my dick when I tried to talk about the rights of people. I got caught up in the second amendment.... when I should have brought up the state version which says "Section 13. Right to bear arms. The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons." And a universal background check is just the opposite of that. It calls the right in question of every person in the state.

[merl]

FWIW: at one time CBI would ask FFL's to stall someone who had a denial , IF they had a warrant . I witness 3 folks leave a store i was "employeed" at years ago with outstandings. 2 of them failed to pay speeding tickets / show up for court. The other one had something mixed up with his last name.

Dangerous criminals there. Get em!

[OneGuy67]

FWIW: at one time CBI would ask FFL's to stall someone who had a denial , IF they had a warrant . I witness 3 folks leave a store i was "employeed" at years ago with outstandings. 2 of them failed to pay speeding tickets / show up for court. The other one had something mixed up with his last name.

Since most backgrounds are done by computer now, they just pend the transaction and contact the local law enforcement. They discovered that a number of employees would tip off the person who would mysteriously be gone when the cops showed up. Yes, the majority of the warrants are for stupid things like moving violations. Take Von Miller for example; his was a traffic related warrant.