Gotta love health insurance

[tmleadr03]

I was JUST thinking, wasn't pony the biggest PPACA fan on this board?
There were more than just "devil's advocate" questions. I seem to recall him in defense several times.

I recall this happening after he was personally attacked several times.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

I recall this happening after he was personally attacked several times.

That may be the case, and while I don't think the personal attacks are productive in discussion, my personal opinion is that it no longer fits what the phrase "devil's advocate" means.
He was clearly defending the policy - I followed less the ad hominem defenses.


-This isn't a "told you so" or a delicious irony observation, either. It isn't schadenfreud - I'm sincerely disappointed for the people this hurts - even the cheerleaders.
I am curious how the opinion has held up over time and experience, though.

[tmleadr03]

That may be the case, and while I don't think the personal attacks are productive in discussion, my personal opinion is that it no longer fits what the phrase "devil's advocate" means.
He was clearly defending the policy - I followed less the ad hominem defenses.


-This isn't a "told you so" or a delicious irony observation, either. It isn't schadenfreud - I'm sincerely disappointed for the people this hurts - even the cheerleaders.
I am curious how the opinion has held up over time and experience, though.

Other people attacked him. I realize this is hard to comprehend but if you are attacked you respond. But that does not mean that just because you are attacked and you defend yourself you are actually defending the topic you were playing devils advocate for.


And lets be absolutely clear. You have NO CLUE what the phrase "Devils Advocate" means.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Other people attacked him. I realize this is hard to comprehend but if you are attacked you respond. But that does not mean that just because you are attacked and you defend yourself you are actually defending the topic you were playing devils advocate for.

And lets be absolutely clear. You have NO CLUE what the phrase "Devils Advocate" means.

Correct. I believe I made the distinction perfectly clear - he was defending the topic.

Your opinion: I have "no clue" what "the phrase 'Devils Advocate' [sic] means." And that's perfectly fine.
My opinion: He started with Devil's Advocate as a guise and moved right into actual defense over the course of several subsequent threads.



Edit: Or just ask him. You can attack my opinion because of your interpretation of what he says, or you can just ask him, "Ridge - were you actually for the PPACA in any form or were you truly setting up debate using Devil's Advocate as a position to initiate conversation?

https://www.ar-15.co/threads/115963-...=1#post1344395 - We don't have to agree on this one. Sounds pretty clear there are at least one part of it he seems to like. Maybe that's what Devil's Advocate means to you, in which case we don't agree on what it means.

[tmleadr03]

Correct. I believe I made the distinction perfectly clear - he was defending the topic.

Your opinion: I have "no clue" what "the phrase 'Devils Advocate' [sic] means." And that's perfectly fine.
My opinion: He started with Devil's Advocate as a guise and moved right into actual defense over the course of several subsequent threads.

LOL. I figured you would try to defend yourself but instead you come back and state blatantly that while you don't know what you are talking about you believe you are still correct.

And no, that is not opinion, that would clearly be fact.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

LOL. I figured you would try to defend yourself but instead you come back and state blatantly that while you don't know what you are talking about you believe you are still correct.

Check the edit afterthough, if you'd be so kind, and then explain exactly what I do not know.

[tmleadr03]

Check the edit afterthough, if you'd be so kind, and then explain exactly what I do not know.

You do not know what the phrase devils advocate means. I have been very clear on that. So have you quite honestly.

And I have actually talked, in person, with Ridge on a regular basis.


One single point of favor in a 11000 page bill does not mean you are for the bill. I realize agreeing with one line in it makes it clear to YOU that he is completely for the entire bill.

[Sharpienads]

Hmm...

Reminds me of this thread: https://www.ar-15.co/threads/115963-...g-with-the-ACA

First thing I thought of as well.

Hmmm... reminds me to ask if you understand what the phrase "Devils Advocate" means.

Because clearly most of this forum doesn't understand it at all.

Ha, yeah nice try.

That may be the case, and while I don't think the personal attacks are productive in discussion, my personal opinion is that it no longer fits what the phrase "devil's advocate" means.
He was clearly defending the policy - I followed less the ad hominem defenses.


-This isn't a "told you so" or a delicious irony observation, either. It isn't schadenfreud - I'm sincerely disappointed for the people this hurts - even the cheerleaders.
I am curious how the opinion has held up over time and experience, though.

I would feel bad for the cheerleaders if I thought it would actually be a wake up call. Sadly, I don't think it will.

[tmleadr03]

Ha, yeah nice try.

So tell me O Wise One. What does that phrase mean?

[Sharpienads]

So tell me O Wise One. What does that phrase mean?

You misunderstand. I'm saying Ridge wasn't playing devil's advocate as much as he would like you to believe, regardless of what the thread title is.