Quote Originally Posted by Hound View Post
Madoff, Savings and Loan officers, AIG officers. To name a few.

ya... Just did. All of them crooks. Plenty where that came from. The biggest difference is between those that got caught and those that did it legally.
Those examples... They all HIRED EMPLOYEES! Do you see what you did there? Didn't think so... Capitalism (economic freedom) is so great that even when it fails it succeeds.


Quote Originally Posted by Hound View Post
Getting a bit emotional here but millions have been killed by both governments and capitalists. Keep worshipping at that alter though. Your gods may yet answer you.

Nice rant.. Little too emtional for me, a little short on fact(being nice about it) but you gave it a good go. Couple of questions...... Who do you think 'holds' all that debt? Where do you think all that wealth actually IS? Do you even know how much we make in a year? Many in the middle class are successful and if you have actually read anything I have written you know that is who I have been wanting to protect.

BTW: 120 trillion ..... Try getting real numbers http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/current from those that actually count it, not political functionaries. It is closer to 16-17 trillion. Still a lot of money but not 120T.
More collectivist dishonesty. Go to the link I provided like I suggested the first time...

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

US National Debt: $17T
Debt per Taxpayer: $149,971

Unfunded Liabilities: $127T
per Taxpayer: $1,109,091

Total Debt and Liabilities: $144T
per Taxpayer: $1,259,062

$144T is a GAAP number. The same number that would be on our balance sheet if the government played by the rules (while creating an even playing field).

That is the debt you have put on your children's heads with your stupidity. That is your even playing field. But Bill Gates keeps you up at night?

We could pick the pocket of every American for the next nine years, not allowing him to buy food, housing, energy, or receive any of his paycheck, and still not pay that off (assuming current GDP). You want more taxes? Take it all. Close all the corporations and cap everyone's pay. Guess well your programs get funded then!


Quote Originally Posted by Hound View Post
I have never been part of the "collective" thought as you show yourself to be while believing you are free and yet selling your children into the same 'enslavement'. It is sad you don't even see it, believing yourself to be above others while actually accepting it. I have not talked in emotion, only in personal experience and long debates with many people. Fools don't know they are fools. I am sure you think I am one. I will be capable of retiring shortly and as my signature points out... I look forward to not caring as much as I do today.
You are regurgitating the same tired ideas that have bankrupted humanity. You are nothing original. Yes, it's all emotional--read your own posts. Marked with envy and anger ready to pull successful people down in the mistaken belief it will elevate you. Well, it won't.


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The funny thing is, you don't know my level. Odds are your not even close. I talk from seeing others suffer and knowing how the rich take advantage of the poor, first hand. When 87 people hold more wealth than 3.5 billion there is something wrong.

yes, yes history is full of where my ideas lead and I have pointed them out while you have stuck to Fox talking points. It shows a lack of reading and understanding history on your part.
Your level? What is that supposed to mean? That you hail from a higher caste? Typical Liberal BS believing you're some kind of intellectual elite and your ideas are somehow superior.

Here's a excerpt from something I am posting in another thread tonight (if you can shut your mouth long enough to read it). This where your ideas lead. Behold your Liberal utopia...

Our founder, Vladimir Lenin, was portrayed as a noble, charismatic, and smart man -- the champion of the underdog (the working class), the seeker of equality, defeater of the rich. The humble man with common ideas who was destined for greatness.

[snip]

As much as my family shielded me from their troubles, they couldn't protect me from factors beyond their control. They couldn't raise my level of living above theirs. And they certainly couldn't get me anesthetics for dental visits. Sitting in the gray, sterile corridor for two hours, hearing the sobbing of the kids already in the dental chair as their teeth were drilled without anesthetics, water, or suction, and knowing that your turn was coming -- some handled it better than others.

In the local clinic, needles were resterilized and reused. Ambulances took three hours to arrive, if they came at all.
That was our "free" healthcare.

We also lived in a "free" apartment, which was suffocatingly small by American standards, and it took years, if not decades, for an average couple to obtain such a place. Usually, several generations of a family lived under one roof until the government bestowed upon its citizens another gray five- to sixteen-story building that looked just like its gray neighbor and had the same exact green-painted swings in the yard.

[snip]
You see how original you are? Lenin was slinging the same shit 90 years ago. It only lead to the murder of 10M innocent people. All middle class farmers called "Kulaks." All workers (ants) who were starved by grasshoppers who wanted a level playing field. And in the end they all suffered.