Columbine

[AUSyTyIN]

Strange, I see it as the other way around for most of the year. As a guy who was a student in the school at the time, I tend to notice the media attention. I knew 13 of the 15. Trust me, I am highly conflicted with the current gun ban politics, but I am a member on this site, so you can guess which way I lean towards...

I was a charter member of the "Heart of Columbine", an organization that was trying to reach out to other schools who went through similar experiences. That organization lost all of its funding shortly after 9-11. It has since withered and died

No one learned anything from Columbine

M2MG

I highly beg to differ. I would argue that there have been countless shootings prevented because of what was learned at Columbine. The main thing that has changed is that when a student cries out for help through demented writings, teachers, parents, counselors, and friends all take note and do what they can to put the student at ease. There have been countless acts that have been stopped in the planning stages. I can provide 400+ pages worth of proof if you really want to see it.

I do think that if some of the faculty had been carrying, that the loss of life wouldn't have been so great.


Here's a little known fact for you guys, did you know that the school police officer actually got off 3 shots at them shortly after the incident started? They were still outside the school, and he shot at them from 50+ yards away with his service pistol (sorry, I'm not sure what he was carrying). Unfortunately all of his shots missed.

[DOC]

My School Ninja wasn't armed. Why was yours?

[AUSyTyIN]

My School Ninja wasn't armed. Why was yours?

Dunno, never bother to ask him. I figured all police officers were armed though...was yours an actual cop, or just security?

[M2MG]

Strange, I see it as the other way around for most of the year. As a guy who was a student in the school at the time, I tend to notice the media attention. I knew 13 of the 15. Trust me, I am highly conflicted with the current gun ban politics, but I am a member on this site, so you can guess which way I lean towards...

I was a charter member of the "Heart of Columbine", an organization that was trying to reach out to other schools who went through similar experiences. That organization lost all of its funding shortly after 9-11. It has since withered and died




I highly beg to differ. I would argue that there have been countless shootings prevented because of what was learned at Columbine. The main thing that has changed is that when a student cries out for help through demented writings, teachers, parents, counselors, and friends all take note and do what they can to put the student at ease. There have been countless acts that have been stopped in the planning stages. I can provide 400+ pages worth of proof if you really want to see it.

I do think that if some of the faculty had been carrying, that the loss of life wouldn't have been so great.


Here's a little known fact for you guys, did you know that the school police officer actually got off 3 shots at them shortly after the incident started? They were still outside the school, and he shot at them from 50+ yards away with his service pistol (sorry, I'm not sure what he was carrying). Unfortunately all of his shots missed.

I don't mind you quoting me and then challenging what I say. But have the guts to quote my entire statement and not chop it into bits so you change the subject. I know plenty of what happened at Columbine which I can not divulge for reasons that are none of your business.

Now if you want to challenge my obvious reference to how Federal Gun Free Zones have helped criminals shoot unarmed kids and adult it's game on.

M2MG

[AUSyTyIN]

I don't mind you quoting me and then challenging what I say. But have the guts to quote my entire statement and not chop it into bits so you change the subject. I know plenty of what happened at Columbine which I can not divulge for reasons that are none of your business.

Now if you want to challenge my obvious reference to how Federal Gun Free Zones have helped criminals shoot unarmed kids and adult it's game on.

M2MG

Sorry, I was taking what you said as two quasi-separate points. Things were learned from Columbine. But the gun free zones matter obviously hasn't been changed. I meant no offense, it was a misunderstanding, but when you said "nothing was learned" it did set me off a bit, because I know that there was a lot learned. But now I see what you were referring to.

[SNAFU]

San Yisdro CA,,Twin Towers NYC,,POW/MIA,,The Amish School in PA,,Oklahoma Federal Building OK,,Waco,,Ruby Ridge....

I hate Mondays...true story too...first school shooting I knew of,,her reason?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJi8U...eature=related

http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/mondays.asp

[Mtn.man]

Well when I went to High school 100 years ago we had race riots and 3 people got shot 1 died, we never held a vigil every year and we moved on. No one complained that the guns just showed up and did the killing. Not much was ever talked about afterwards either. I don't remember any of my classmates becoming crazy over it. We didn't have weeks and years of media coverage. It happened they reported we moved on. And NO memorial.
People now days are all pussies, and have to be politiclly correct so I stil say fuk it and get on with life..

Hell the news said it was the blackest day in CO history,, BULL shit what about Sand Creek Massacre.....

[Irving]

I don't mind you quoting me and then challenging what I say. But have the guts to quote my entire statement and not chop it into bits so you change the subject.

People do this, so that they can highlight on the one part of what you said, that they are commenting on. It has nothing to do with guts.

[bjl913]

No one learned anything from Columbine

M2MG

I would beg to differ also. This is the biggest event leading to the way police operate now. Before this, regular street cops were not taught how to deal with "active shooters" without SWAT being there. The SOP changed to instead of sitting around for 90+ minutes for the SWAT guys to suit up, you wait for the second or third officer to get there and get your ass in there, move methodical through the building, and eliminate the threat. Police training with the AR15 progressed so that regular street officers were now as educated as SWAT members 15 years ago. CQB and proper formations for movement were mastered, making cops the first responders that they had been hyped as for so long.

I was in HS at the time of the shootings, just down the road. While I attended I thought our SRO was kinda a goober... Now that im older, I have learned more respect for the SOB! I still see him every now and then, and have had a few chances to pick his brain. I have learned since then about his history as a SWAT cop, and how many subjects he is a master trainer at. That guy knew every little hiding spot in the school, and had 3 AR's and 3 shotguns in a safe in an undisclosed place in the school. He may have been everybodies best bud that attended that school, but he was prepared with the tools and knowledge to deal with a threat.

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We Are All Columbine