SBR procedure overview?

[Tim K]

Can I use multiple short barreled uppers on the SBRd lower? It requires a paperwork change?

I don't know that I care, just trying to understand.

[brutal]

Can I use multiple short barreled uppers on the SBRd lower? It requires a paperwork change?

I don't know that I care, just trying to understand.

As I understand it - Anything you want temporary. For a permanent change to the Form1 lower, you submit the change.

Here's one for the guru's. If you take it out of state on an approved form 5320.20, must it be the permanent upper on the form1 or can it be a temporary or even multiple uppers?

[Great-Kazoo]

As I understand it - Anything you want temporary. For a permanent change to the Form1 lower, you submit the change.

Here's one for the guru's. If you take it out of state on an approved form 5320.20, must it be the permanent upper on the form1 or can it be a temporary or even multiple uppers?

I've taken all/multiple uppers with me, but kept the Form 1 upper on the lower.

[SA Friday]

Does anyone have any guidance, an actual ATF pamphlet or instruction, indicating that short of the SBR's original configuration the AFT gives two rat poops what upper is on the lower? The upper is just a part. The lower is the item being registered.

I have talked to the NFA ATF office about removing uppers from SBR's and turning them over to the owner while the Form 4 on the lower clears. I discussed the upper being used on a lower previously Form 1ed. They related flat out that the upper was just a part and the lower was relevant.

I will not even remotely shocked if it's erroneous. Equally, I will not be shocked if the last three strings of info are not supported by direct ATF guidance.


I'm not even sure the AFT even knows…..

[Lurch]

Does anyone have any guidance, an actual ATF pamphlet or instruction, indicating that short of the SBR's original configuration the AFT gives two rat poops what upper is on the lower? The upper is just a part. The lower is the item being registered. I have talked to the NFA ATF office about removing uppers from SBR's and turning them over to the owner while the Form 4 on the lower clears. I discussed the upper being used on a lower previously Form 1ed. They related flat out that the upper was just a part and the lower was relevant. I will not even remotely shocked if it's erroneous. Equally, I will not be shocked if the last three strings of info are not supported by direct ATF guidance. I'm not even sure the AFT even knows…..

If they already have a SBR they are fine. If they have another AR then no. If they don't have an AR then yes.

[RCCrawler]

Ok, here's the scoop, I called the ATF Branch in Denver and asked the question.

-If it is a temporary change and you can change it right back, nothing is needed.
-If it's a permanent change you need to send a letter to the ATF NFA branch office listing your make, model, serial number, new barrel length, and new overall length.

He did not know if you could make the changes then send the letter, or if you had to send the letter first then wait for approval to make the changes so he gave me a number at the NFA branch to call.

The lady at the NFA branch said that you must send the letter, then wait for a response letter back from them before making any permanent changes. She said currently the wait on letters such as that is 3-6 months.

[Great-Kazoo]

Ok, here's the scoop, I called the ATF Branch in Denver and asked the question.

-If it is a temporary change and you can change it right back, nothing is needed.
-If it's a permanent change you need to send a letter to the ATF NFA branch office listing your make, model, serial number, new barrel length, and new overall length.

He did not know if you could make the changes then send the letter, or if you had to send the letter first then wait for approval to make the changes so he gave me a number at the NFA branch to call.

The lady at the NFA branch said that you must send the letter, then wait for a response letter back from them before making any permanent changes. She said currently the wait on letters such as that is 3-6 months.

The Denver branch is LE, not technical side of things. While they can render a "guess" as you found out they are not savvy on NFA items. Unless you're in a sting.
If it's not from the tech branch back east, in writing, don't base what you do, on that answer.

[RCCrawler]

The Denver branch is LE, not technical side of things. While they can render a "guess" as you found out they are not savvy on NFA items. Unless you're in a sting.
If it's not from the tech branch back east, in writing, don't base what you do, on that answer.

Which is why I called the tech branch and they confirmed what the Denver branch told me.

[Dave]

OK, so bumping up an old thread, I just want to make sure I'm doing this correctly. I am making my C39 pistol into an SBR and have a trust setup. I fill out the form 1 with all the info about my trust and the gun, do I need to have it engraved with my trust name and city prior to sending the form or can that be done while I am waiting for approval? Since I have a trust and would send a copy of it, will I need my pic and prints to go along with the form 1?

[Great-Kazoo]

OK, so bumping up an old thread, I just want to make sure I'm doing this correctly. I am making my C39 pistol into an SBR and have a trust setup. I fill out the form 1 with all the info about my trust and the gun, do I need to have it engraved with my trust name and city prior to sending the form or can that be done while I am waiting for approval? Since I have a trust and would send a copy of it, will I need my pic and prints to go along with the form 1?

MAKE SURE your Trust is 3MB or less. I'll echo the others and say wait to engrave. Some say do it first. Don't forget your schedule of assets, too. BUT do not list the C39.