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    Default California couple finds 10 million in gold coins on their property

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/02/27...f-report-says/

    One couple's gold find could mean a jackpot for the IRS.


    The Northern California couple that found $10 million worth of rare, mint-condition gold coins buried in the shadow of an old tree on their property will likely owe about half the find's value whether they sell the gold or not.


    The San Francisco Chronicle reports that the find is a taxable event under a 1969 federal court ruling that held a "treasure trove" is taxable the year it was discovered.


    "If you find and keep property that does not belong to you that has been lost or abandoned (treasure-trove), it is taxable to you at its fair market value in the first year it is your undisputed possession,” the report said, citing the IRS tax guide.


    The report says after all is said and done, about 47 percent will go to state and federal tax, or the top tax rate.


    An accountant told the paper that the couple can try to fight the tax and claim it was there when they bought the property.


    Nearly all of the 1,427 coins that were found, dating from 1847 to 1894, were in uncirculated, mint condition, said David Hall, co-founder of Professional Coin Grading Service of Santa Ana, which recently authenticated them. Although the face value of the gold pieces only adds up to about $27,000, some of them are so rare that coin experts say they could fetch nearly $1 million apiece.


    "I don't like to say once-in-a-lifetime for anything, but you don't get an opportunity to handle this kind of material, a treasure like this, ever," said veteran numismatist Don Kagin, who is representing the finders. "It's like they found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow."


    Kagin, whose family has been in the rare-coin business for 81 years, would say little about the couple other than that they are husband and wife, are middle-aged and have lived for several years on the rural property where the coins were found. They have no idea who put them there, he said.


    The pair are choosing to remain anonymous, Kagin said, in part to avoid a renewed gold rush to their property by modern-day prospectors armed with metal detectors.


    They also don't want to be treated any differently, said David McCarthy, chief numismatist for Kagin Inc. of Tiburon.


    They plan to put most of the coins up for sale through Amazon while holding onto a few keepsakes. They'll use the money to pay off bills and quietly donate to local charities, Kagin said.


    Before they sell them, they are loaning some to the American Numismatic Association for its National Money Show, which opens Thursday in Atlanta.


    What makes their find particularly valuable, McCarthy said, is that almost all of the coins are in near-perfect condition. That means that whoever put them into the ground likely socked them away as soon as they were put into circulation.


    Because paper money was illegal in California until the 1870s, he added, it's extremely rare to find any coins from before that of such high quality.


    "It wasn't really until the 1880s that you start seeing coins struck in California that were kept in real high grades of preservation," he said.


    The coins, in $5, $10 and $20 denominations, were stored more or less in chronological order, McCarthy said, with the 1840s and 1850s pieces going into one canister until it was filed, then new coins going into the next one and the next one after that. The dates and the method indicated that whoever put them there was using the ground as their personal bank and that they weren't swooped up all at once in a robbery.


    Although most of the coins were minted in San Francisco, one $5 gold piece came from as far away as Georgia.


    Kagin and McCarthy would say little about the couple's property or its ownership history, other than it's in a sprawling hilly area of Gold Country and the coins were found along a path the couple had walked for years. On the day they found them last spring, the woman had bent over to examine an old rusty can that erosion had caused to pop slightly out of the ground.


    "Don't be above bending over to check on a rusty can," he said she told him.


    The Associated Press contributed to this report
    Dumbassess, why would you even say anything? Not only is the .gov gonna bone you for your finding. But ever tom dick and second cousin Harry is going to try to "catch up on old times".

    You better believe if I find, win or steal anything over a million bucks you'll never see or hear from me again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hghclsswhitetrsh View Post
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    Dumbassess, why would you even say anything? Not only is the .gov gonna bone you for your finding. But ever tom dick and second cousin Harry is going to try to "catch up on old times".

    You better believe if I find, win or steal anything over a million bucks you'll never see or hear from me again.

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    Or, at least, "We found ONE can, with a FEW gold coins..."

    HC nailed it. Full disclosure will wreck their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crays View Post
    Or, at least, "We found ONE can, with a FEW gold coins..."

    HC nailed it. Full disclosure will wreck their lives.

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    Not at all. The story is a week old. The way they plan to redistribute the wealth, by giving back to the community, will take any heat off them. Now if they were some folks who wanted to invest their find in to a business the family always wanted, but couldn't afford. You bet some .gov agency would take an interest.
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    Yeah well I also read that they may "owe" the government 47% in taxes because of some stupid "treasure trove" tax law. I really hate that word "owe" since the government has absolutely NO right to ANY of that.
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    First rule of find the gold club.
    STFU.

    But realistically there is no way it would have been kept secret.
    And agreed the Feds should FOAD.
    Finders keepers and all.
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    I just read that 47% tax rate, what a kick in the nutz that must be.

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    If I were to locate such a find I would quietly do my own research and pitch the coins out into the market slowly as to not raise any blips on the radar. Travel around to different states to distribute each coin in a stealthy manner. The .gov would never catch wind of my scheme and I'd walk with a big chunk of change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Giv View Post
    If I were to locate such a find I would quietly do my own research and pitch the coins out into the market slowly as to not raise any blips on the radar. Travel around to different states to distribute each coin in a stealthy manner. The .gov would never catch wind of my scheme and I'd walk with a big chunk of change.
    The finders are CA Liberals, to say the least. Stealth, or wealth, is not their MO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Great-Kazoo View Post
    The finders are CA Liberals, to say the least. Stealth, or wealth, is not their MO.
    Good point. They likely won't even dispute the claim by the IRS. Too bad that there aren't some gold coins buried in my yard. Only tip you guys would pick up on would be how is T-Giv buying EVERY SINGLE gun that pops up in the trading post. What is he? Made of money? Did he find a box of late 1800's gold coins buried in his yard or something?

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    Just walked around my yard and the only thing I found I wish the government would come get it...I hate picking up dog poop.
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