ATF DEMANDS LIST OF 80% AR LOWER BUYERS

[ChunkyMonkey]

http://fox5sandiego.com/2014/03/12/g...ExdrRpxQWKd.01

OCEANSIDE, Calif. – The owner of an Oceanside store that sells various gun parts to build a rifle from scratch refused to turn over his customer list when he was raided by federal agents Wednesday.Dimitrios Karras, owner of Ares Armor, said the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agents were investigating their business, not for what they sell, but for the people who purchase their products.
Karras said the ATF threatened to shutter their business if they didn’t hand over the names of 5,000 customers who have purchased an 80 percent lower receiver (the base) for building an AR-15.
It is legal to build a rifle from scratch without serial numbers only if the base is manufactured to ATF specifications. The base is not considered a firearm if it’s sold separately.
A manufacturer made an 80 percent receiver in plastic with a different material and colors which show exactly where the customer can drill making it easier and cheaper to build. The ATF said it is illegal.
The ATF sent stores, including Ares Armor, letters demanding they turn over the products and names of customers who purchased them.
“They said either give us these 5000 names or we are coming in and taking pretty much anything – which is a huge privacy concern and something we are not willing to do,” said Karras.
Karras’s attorney informed the ATF to pick up the receivers Wednesday morning at their Oceanside location, but the inventory was not the issue. The store owner said he will not comply with turning over their private client list.
“They were going to search all of our facilities and confiscate our computer and pretty much shut our business down,” said Karras. “The government invades our privacy on a daily basis and everyone thinks its ok. This is one of those situations where hopefully the governmental institutions will come in say this is protected and no you’re not taking it from them.”
In anticipation of a raid, they filed a temporary restraining order against the ATF, stopping them from confiscating their property, Karras said. The ATF has a certain amount of time to respond. If the two parties do not reach a compromise, they will be in court for a preliminary hearing March 20.


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Why dont The ATF focus on the bad guys.. Mexican gun smuggling maybe? Oh wait!

[asmo]

Why dont The ATF focus on the bad guys.. Mexican gun smuggling maybe? Oh wait!

Because according to the ATF *we* are the bad guys.

[rbeau30]

I think these are the new polymer ones they are doing or at least that is what the owner said on the news channel that was interviewing him. Basically the ATF says the process makes it a firearm then the manufacturer's process of the 80% then makes it back into an 80%. something like that.

I was very interested in this legal standoff, I bought a few of their items they were selling. I am sure during the process of confiscating all the businesses records they would glean who bought the alminum 80% ones as well. And well... as soon as people have information it is really hard to "destroy" it once you got it.

[HoneyBadger]

Time for the store to move their records to a secure and secret location, or destroy them altogether. AFAIK, they are not required by law to keep records of every sale, so they shouldn't run into any legal problems if they have a bonfire out back and burn those records.

[trlcavscout]

Good tell them to pound sound

[jhood001]

This is probably part of further retribution for not going along with their local governments demand to take down their store sign. I believe Nutnfancy did a video about it.

http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/02/ar...me-ar-15-sign/

Ares Armor is a small tactical company that operates a store in National City, California. Recently the town of National City disapproved of a sign displayed at the National City store location and told the store, "Take down the sign or go to jail. We do not approve of guns...or you."

[Punkface]

From what I can gather, ATF is accusing Ares of making polymer lowers then filling in the lower with a different polymer, creating a lower then making it an 80% lower.

Ares says they make the filings first then mold polymer around the fillings keeping it as an 80% lower and never completing the lower.

[buffalobo]

Some stuff is just stupid. This is one of them. Just more tyranny from .gov.

Lobbed from my electronic ball and chain

[BPTactical]

Remember the CA representative who broke out in lil buhholes and pooped hisself over the "Ghost Guns" who made a total ass of hisself?
Wanna bet he is from Ares district?
The city leaned on Ares about their sign and Ares told them to pound sand.
The city dropped a dime to the Feds.

There has been a bit of discussion about flats and 80% "firearms".
I guarantee you they will be on the chopping block before long...

[Squeeze]

The ".gov" likes to keep that whole "undocumented" thing to themselves. Once John Q Public starts figuring out a way to keep things (especially firearms) legally undocumented from them....well, they'll have none of that! Remember, the government hates competition.