Quote Originally Posted by coloccw View Post
They were US Military!!! Not average people. It is their job to face the enemy, regardless of MOS. They failed to utilize their training to not freeze and hide in fear. The LT failed to act as an officer in the US Army and protect those under his command and do as he was trained to do. He was provided with active shooter training as well as combatives/H2H in basic training. He failed to do as he was paid to do because he "didn't have his firearm." A prime example of the weakening of our military...


ronin, if you will only act IF you have "equal armament" when innocent people are being slaughtered then you need to choose a new profession or rethink your training priorities and objectives (as well as your manhood).
I'm just guessing here, but he never stated his MOS- so I can't speak to his training... the combatives training everyone gets in Basic (not sure about Infantry OSUT though) is a joke. I could do some basic moves right out of BCT, it wasn't until one of our NCOs went to Level 3 combatives training and took some outside the military training that we started doing weekly combatives/hand-to-hand training that I learned actual usable tactics. They Army doesn't see a huge need for all of it's troops- especially non-combat MOS soldiers- to know anything but a basic form of hand-to-hand, that IRL probably won't do you any favors. The Army is not trained to respond to a threat without the use of arms and force, unarmed against an active shooter and they might as well be average people with a little extra training in firearms, that's it. And I never said I'd only act if I had equal armament, I said unless an opportunity to act presented itself, I'm not going in gung ho and becoming another victim. That's why cops carry guns, otherwise what good are they if they become another victim? Questioning my manhood because I would be reluctant to commit suicide by gunman, okay, whatever. Now, if I was unarmed, encountered an active shooter, ideally I'd get to an advantageous position to utilize the hand-to-hand training I've received, but if that wasn't possible what good would I do in adding to the number of people the paramedics and/or coroner had to deal with?