So I have a new idea for a "compromise"

[blackford76]

I agree, I don't like kids being shot, but none of these laws would change that, and I think crimes like that are just used as an excuse. They want us to be subjects, not citizens.

[blackford76]

Wow, my last post here is kinda hanging out all by itself. I guess I was trying to make a point that we all know, and did a poor job of it. We all know gun laws don't work, we tolerate some, (background checks), knowing they are pointless, in the hope that our "compliance" will keep even dumber ones from showing up. Too bad they cant see I wont ever work.

[theGinsue]

It's late. There'll be responses tomorrow for sure. I agree with you. The BG's are always going to do what they want whether there are laws against it or not. Most of the laws do nothing more than put unnecessary (and often un-Constitutional) limits on the rights of the law-abiding.

[ryanek9freak]

Yeah, you're right, EVen if all transfers were subject to 4473's, there would still be plenty of illegally smuggled in guns from other countries.

[blackford76]

Less restrictions...More training.

[Jtim]

Less restrictions...More training.

Agreed. On another board, someone suggested that students in high school should be required to take a firearms safety course. No real guns (use the wacky plastic glocks) or live ammo, just a course to explain to young people how guns work and what to do when handling one.

[blackford76]

As for the younger guys, the last place I worked had a large percentage of 20 something 'boys'. The sideways hats, underpants hanging out, 5 or 6 face piercings, 50 horse power hondas with 6" exhaust and wings, you get the idea. It took me almost 3 years, but almost every one of the now drive 3/4 ton turbo diesel 4x4's, know how to properly wear a hat, discovered belts, and I proudly consider them friends, and most importantly, RIFLEMEN. They now help with cleaning our local shooting areas, (even when I'm not with them) and most have even joined the NRA. I am very proud of them, but I can't/won't take all the credit. It is our responsability to 'train' these kids, because they are the ones who are going to change our future, not us. We need all the educated, responsible gun owners we can get, the younger the better.

[Mtn.man]

the main thing is to start them early as your kids or you grandkids, and then they learn respect. as little ones they want to be like You.
As for High school.. in this day and age of PC'ness, I doubt it would ever fly unless you have a rural High in totally rural atmosphere.
When I went to High school we had an ROTC class for those that wanted to be apart of it. ( I wasn't)
But I and my brother and some friends did hunt with my principal and a couple teachers after school for quail, doves, rabbits etc.

[Irving]

Foxtrot, the problem with your suggestion (and any gun "compromise" suggestion) is made clear when you compare it to any of the other rights we are guaranteed. The most simple one for example sake is the First Amendment though. Are people required to take a class in order to use free speech, or freedom of religion? How many times have you had to go through a background check before you utilized your free speech?

My suggestion is that ALL gun laws are dropped, in exchange for anyone who wants to own a gun, must show that they have a homeowners/renters insurance policy. Unfortunately, I thought of that idea right at the same time that dick head politician had a similar idea. The only problem was, he threw in a bunch of extra bullshit that NO insurance company would ever agree to. For example, if your gun were to get stolen, you are responsible for anything that it is involved in. Not even car insurance works that way. Thank God that proposal wasn't passed.