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[cstone]

It still terrifies me that you, as the enforcer of said laws, seek legal advice on an internet forum...

It scares me more when people assume they know an answer and don't bother to seek a correct answer.

No one knows everything.

While LEOs are not above the law or "special" there are exemptions written into some laws for some people. Magazines above 15 round capacity are one example.

[SvenJorgensen]

While LEOs are not above the law or "special" there are exemptions written into some laws for some people. Magazines above 15 round capacity are one example.

Isn't the magazine cap exemption based upon their use in a duty weapon for official purposes?
I wasn't aware Joe Cop could walk into a store in Colorado and purchase a 17 round magazine for his personal handgun just because he is LE.

[cstone]

Isn't the magazine cap exemption based upon their use in a duty weapon for official purposes?
I wasn't aware Joe Cop could walk into a store in Colorado and purchase a 17 round magazine for his personal handgun just because he is LE.

I'm not aware of any store in Colorado that has any 15+ round magazines on sale for anyone to just walk in and purchase. If you have credentials and walk into a police supply store, you can purchase 30 round PMAGs. Fair? So few things in life are. Rather than complain about LEOs and what they can buy, lets work on changing the dumb law that doesn't make anyone safer.

I just raised the issue as an example of how exemptions are written into laws. I don't believe the rank and file police officers lobbied the state legislature for a special exemption so they could purchase PMAGs.

[HoneyBadger]

I don't believe the rank and file police officers lobbied the state legislature for a special exemption so they could purchase PMAGs.

Very good point, but I still don't think a LEO should be looking for legal advice on an internet forum. It is his/her duty first and foremost to know and understand the law that they have a duty to enforce. What if he came to an internet forum other than this one and they gave him bad info? Now he is a criminal (unknowingly) because he illegally transferred a firearm to a friend without a BCG.


I digress... The real issue here is with the law itself, it's verbiage, and implementation. Oh yeah, and the part where it is completely unconstitutional and unrighteous.

ETA:

HONEYBADGER;

Just cause I am sworn to uphold the laws.. doesnt mean I know everything about each and every indvidual new law that comes out every year... We as LEO's are consistantly trying to keep up with them.. Its not easy...DO YOU KNOW EVERY minute detail in your job ???? I'm guessing not...Im sick and tired of the LEO bashing by people who " dont practice what they preach ".. I'll be the first to admit that there are some bad seeds in our tree, and there are some LEO's who hide behind the badge and take full advantage of the perks associated with my line of work. But at the same time, WE, as LEO's took an oath the serve and protect the public from the BAD PEOPLE. Just remember...when the general public needs help, they call us. We put our lives on the line everyday serving and protecting the public. With that being said, I'm sorry you have a distorted view of Police Officers and other people carrying a badge.

I'm sorry. I certainly didn't mean to hurt your feelings. I am simply concerned that as the chief enforcer of the law, you have come to an internet forum for interpretation of that law. I voiced that concern above and I don't believe it needs to be re-restated. I understand there are stresses associated with your job, but if you cannot handle it, then maybe you should seek other employment - for your sake, and for the rest of us who are also just trying to do the right thing. You can call it "bashing" if you want. I am simply questioning the strange reality that we have here: a LEO asking the internet for help understanding the laws which he is bound to enforce.

Regardless, you brought up an interesting point: "LEOs took an oath to serve and protect the public from the BAD PEOPLE." When enforcing laws like the BGC law and the magazine capacity limiting law, who are the real "bad people"? What does your oath actually say?

My oath is to support and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;... and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.

I hope I am not chasing you away and leaving a sour taste in your mouth. I would like to have a reasonable discourse. If that is not possible, then at the very minimum, I would hope that my words have given you cause to evaluate your office and the way in which you fulfill your duties. I would love to have you as an active member of this internet community, but I certainly understand if you do not have the time or desire to do so. I never assumed that you were trying to skirt the law (and doing so on the internet would be the end of your career in LE, obviously) but I apologize for my sardonic and rude tone.

Rather than complain about {FILL IN THE BLANK HERE}, lets work on changing the dumb law that doesn't make anyone safer.

A fabulous idea! I'm guilty. Lets be unrelenting to our elected officials and tireless in our defense of our liberties! Liberty is an interesting thing in that very rarely will anyone else defend it for you; you must stand up to defend it for yourself, lest you will lose it without ever having known its value.

[Zundfolge]

Rather than complain about LEOs and what they can buy, lets work on changing the dumb law that doesn't make anyone safer.

Look, on the individual level I don't fault some LEO for taking advantage of his privileged status, as long as doing so doesn't involve squashing some fellow citizen's rights ... I just object to this stratification of rights by occupation. I don't believe "journalists" should have more 1A rights either. That said, Ranger 353 pretty much answered the OP's question.

As for "cop bashing", I appreciate that street level law enforcement is not an easy job, and its a damn sight more difficult and potentially deadly than my graphic design job (and I really do thank the good ones that are truly there trying to make our communities a safer/better place, several of which post right here on this forum). But some of y'all get real butt hurt real fast and start throwing around the accusation of "cop bashing" when we're all just questioning why y'all seem to have more rights than the rest of us. No it's not your fault, its the politicians, but I also don't see large numbers of uniformed folk out there marching in the streets to correct the problems (CO Sheriffs being a notable exception) and I'm having a harder time trusting that the majority of y'all won't gladly kick doors in when the politicritters order the jackboot to come down on the neck of the people. If you're one that will stand up for the constitution and what's right when the S hits the F, then we're clearly not bitchin' about you (but I find I trust your brothers and sisters less and less).

Anyway, try to take all that into account before you get offended. And yes, we non LEO serf types should probably cut individual LEOs with questions some slack.