Private Party FFL Transfer

[Jer]

Anyone else offering free BGC's for private party transfers? Didn't think so. I've been saying since this law passed that a LGS would be smart to give them away to get people in the door. Most retail businesses PAY to get customers in the door in the form of advertising.

[Camperdavid]

Anyone else offering free BGC's for private party transfers? Didn't think so. I've been saying since this law passed that a LGS would be smart to give them away to get people in the door. Most retail businesses PAY to get customers in the door in the form of advertising.

As usual, I'm late to the party....but, I couldn't agree more!
I can't think of a time that I didnt wander around filling a basket while I was waiting for the database to confirm that I still wasn't part of ISIS. New gun means new dies, brass, ammo, holster, etc. I'm willing to bet that a shop nets more revenue on two boxes of shells and a holster than many firearms anyway. Hell, I actually paid $30.00 for a pound of Unique at Buck Stop in Spearfish SD, just to be nice!

[brutal]

In response to previous post:

No. If fail, seller has to pass a background check. Laws do not differ any more than consignment or pawn transaction.
FFL's cannot run background checks willy nilly, they have to be attached to firearms. To attach them to firearms, they have to be logged. To return them, seller has to complete check.

If both buyer and seller fail, then it goes on consignment or the store has to keep it.

Actually, you are wrong on this and it has been covered many many times and clarified by the CBI/ATF.

The dealer is not required to put the firearm in their bound book until the BGC is approved and a transfer occurs. Seller does not have to relinquish control of the firearms until said transfer.

[Circuits]

No. If fail, seller has to pass a background check. Laws do not differ any more than consignment or pawn transaction.
FFL's cannot run background checks willy nilly, they have to be attached to firearms. To attach them to firearms, they have to be logged. To return them, seller has to complete check.

This is not true, and it's not the same as a pawn or consignment - ATF issued guidelines to FFLs for private party transfers which specifically address this, and as an FFL you should have received it.

Here's a link to ATF Procedure 2013-1: https://www.atf.gov/sites/default/fi...rough_ffls.pdf Note the section on page 2 under 'Procedure - "Denied" or "Cancelled" transactions'.

The Colorado CBI FAQ says that Colorado law does not require a background check to be conducted on the seller, but incorrectly claims that federal law requires it.

This page, question number 2: http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite.../1251622199556

Since Colorado law does not require it, according to the CBI, and federal law does not require it according to the ATF procedure, it is not required.

[BlasterBob]

The Colorado CBI FAQ says that Colorado law does not require a background check to be conducted on the seller, but incorrectly claims that federal law requires it.
Since Colorado law does not require it, according to the CBI, and federal law does not require it according to the ATF procedure, it is not required.

Circuits is correct. One case where a BGC on the seller would be necessary is when the FFL does actually LOG in the firearm and the potential buyer cannot pass the BGC and the firearm has to be reclaimed by the seller. Then the proposed seller will have to get a BGC for his own firearm to be returned and pay the going rate that the FFL charges. The Democrats wanted to do all they could to put a stop or at least a real slowdown to the firearm traffic in CO and this is working. The BASTARDS.

[Jer]

Lets whip it out and start measuring wankers.

But no, you wouldn't "hire a full-time person just to count the money".

Firearm sales have probably the worst profitability of any business.

You've got to be around for many many years to make it even work. Niches can make good.
But good CS isn't the whole picture.

Guys like savings $ more than they do talking. Where jewelry has a markup of 80%, guns you're lucky if you truly even have 8%.

It's called hyperbole. I wasn't serious about needing to hire a full-time employee to count the money but I was making a point that if someone could merge the simple idea of customer service with the business of selling firearms and firearms accessories that seems to be profitable despite the employees they couldn't help but be successful. I guess I took this website for smarter people than that.

[Jer]

Of course. My point is, CS doesn't have as much of an effect in firearms as it does in, say, a restaurant or a hardware store.

Case in point: One of the busiest, if not the busiest firearm stores in junction is a hole in the wall pawn shop with absolutely horrible customer service. But it is cheap. Guys literally wait, standing, on average for 1 - 1 1/2 hours JUST to get the opportunity to talk to the owner to buy something. Small shop, but a lot of crap in the back, dirty, packed with sweaty bastards. I do believe in Customer Service. But if you had the sexiest, most friendly knowledgeable women operating a gunstore, clean, perfect, and MSRP style prices, guess what- you will have to shutter your doors and close down when competing with the former business.

Guys in the firearm world don't care as much for chitty chat and brown nosing or reach arounds. They really just want the best price. They'll wait a long ass time to get the best price. Whereas, an average woman in a clothing store, you can probably get awesome sales just with VERBAL skills, marked up three the price of online retailers. That type of customer wants a reach around..... and they want it NOW. That type does exist in the firearm world too, but they are a fraction.

ETA:
I've seen crazy bastards drive all around town, put easily 60 miles on a vehicle, checking every shop before coming back to save, what, $6.00? They probably burned 3 hours and at least $10 in gas to do that. Some guys are freaking crazy.

While I agree that some 'gun people' don't care about CS most do and there's also new those who aren't yet 'gun people' and CS like most gun shops offer is a HUGE turnoff to new people interested in learning more.

[sroz]

Lets whip it out and start measuring wankers.

But no, you wouldn't "hire a full-time person just to count the money".

Firearm sales have probably the worst profitability of any business.

You've got to be around for many many years to make it even work. Niches can make good.
But good CS isn't the whole picture.

Guys like savings $ more than they do talking. Where jewelry has a markup of 80%, guns you're lucky if you truly even have 8%.

Yep. Thanks for bringing reality back in, although I believe the markups are more like 15-20% on firearms. A bit higher in some cases. Ammo markups are a more.