Employment discrimination question - is this legal?

[DocMedic]

Here's the thing, you probably were looking at usajobs.gov for the job announcement I assume. If you do a little more research and look harder, there's a good chance there is the same job opportunity for non vet types under a different announcement #. Also even if u did apply understand that the us government hiring system is the slowest hiring system ever. I applied for jobs in Oct and i am just now hearing about them now, and fortunately was able to finally find employment. As for not being to apply to the job announcement because your not a vet, I'm sorry but your not going to get any support from me. It's rough right now for veterans to get hired in the private sector at the moment, I know it's hard for everyone but it's been proven to be worse for vets (specially those coming out from Iraq and Afghan)

i had had to live with this mess for the past 2 years. Little back story about myself. 6yrs in active did 2 15month deployments. Transitioned to the reserves and had the army pay for college (while still receiving my full time pay) and commissioned as a officer for the reserves. I gratitude from CSU-P have TS-SCI and the past 2yrs I've been un-employed even though I had 2 head hunter companies trying to find me employment. From the get go I was told from the very start I already had 2 strikes against me for the private sector. 1)being a combat veteran of this era. And 2) being in the army reserves still. I had applied to over 40 jobs and only received 10 interviews. And I had my resume changed from "military experience" to "DOA experience" and leaving out the fact I was ever deployed. To be able to get at least 6 more of those interviews. I had it explained to me that a lot of HR's used automated systems to grade your resume before it's ever screen by human eyes. And "certain" words deducted your score. I thought this was all BS but talking to those in my reserve unit and doing some self research, last year Colorado had like a 5 or 6% unemployment rate. Well my era of vet was at 13%!!! In Colorado. It's so bad even nationally that the government is giving companies taxes breaks if they hire a certain % of employees as vets. That's why we've seen all these programs recently about "hiring vets" campaigns, because it's a real epidemic.


edit: maybe hard to read due to being typed on my phone. But you get the general idea.

[Colorado Osprey]

Apparently you haven't seen how hard it is to get any Civil Service job lately.... like impossible.

There are tons listed, and if you aren't already a civil servant you can't apply.

After talking personally to the SBA Western States Manager, the reason is the .gov isn't hiring is due to budget. So, if you need somebody in your .gov job, you have to lure away someone from their current .gov job. That way there in no net gain of Civil Servants. The $$ being offered is almost always a move up; substantially. This mean the .gov is spending more $$ but not adding additional jobs.

Also, if you have a Secret clearance you can get big $$. General Dynamics is hiring a Closed Circuit Security officer at $65k if you have a Secret clearance. The same job without is $18k at other employers.

[DocMedic]

I heard great things about GD as a .mil contractor but any time I look at offerings they never have anything in Colorado?

[Irving]

My company recently hired a vet. He's been applying for years I believe, at least five times. Like a LOT of the people at my company, he has family already there. He was hired into the lowest position we have as far as I know. I think he is just happy to be working. I hope he moves into a better position asap.

[rondog]

Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely NO problem with special jobs programs for vets! I know they've had the shit end of the stick in job hunting for years, and that ain't right. It's about time they got some special consideration. It's just that this is the first time I've encountered a "closed door" when job hunting, that required a special "membership card" to even apply, so to speak. I'd never heard of such a thing before, I was just kinda taken aback.

I've never even considered .gov jobs before, figured I'd have a better chance of seeing Elvis, but this tip came to me so I had a look. I'll have to do a little more poking around and see what the process is for us unwashed non-vets. I damn sure ain't gonna grouse about vets getting .gov jobs, they deserve the chance more than me that's for sure. I have great respect for all vets, there's a big hole in my soul because I was denied the opportunity to become one myself.

And as for joining now? Hah! They wouldn't let me in 35 years ago, and now that I'm 58, have had two back surgeries, two knee surgeries, a missing ACL, waaaay overweight, and a few other issues, they'll only let me in Recruiting Offices if I'm accompanying my grandson. And he has a hardon to join The Marines, I'm proud to say! I hope he does.

That "military downsizing" has always sounded crazy to me, I don't get it. But the drive to make illegals into citizens really pisses me off, that's nothing more than a sack of free shit just to sign up more D voters.

[MrPrena]

It is not just non-vet, but company quietly filters out people by marital status, age, ethnic/nationality, previous work, etc.

why is it not illegal? Let's see some example.

ethnic/nationality-
EXAMPLE (MADE UP)
ba&f, D@imler,B@ayer - "person who can speak German fluently. who can understand slang, and business and engineering terminology"
&@msung- "person who can speak Korean fluently, incl. business and engineering, telecomm terminology"
Ren@ult- same shit
NTT D0c0m0- same
&ant@nder- same

Age-
"Oh, you speak French fluently? How many years did you study French? Your accent sounds like you learned it from France"
After telling the interviewer how many years they live in France as a brag.
"How long have you speak English?"

You just gave out the estimate age


marital status-
Ring, get suckered in by talking about kid from looking at interviewer's family photo with special occasions.


Some companies asks illegal questions directly. Age. One of the most odd question was
"We require our employees to take the clients out to dinner/drinks. What is your tolerance level on drinking?"

After I got the job there, I drank so much that I had more than 10 gout attack.....

[jerrymrc]

One more thing for those that may not understand the system. Jobs have to be listed but almost everything that has a short window IE 7 days or less is going to be a promotion and a "Hire by name".

When I got my promotion a few years ago my new job had to be listed and was a VRA but it was a "Hire by name" and was closed a few days after it opened. So although you may see a job listed it may not be available. One needs to be able to read between the lines when it comes to .gov jobs.

[Great-Kazoo]

One more thing for those that may not understand the system. Jobs have to be listed but almost everything that has a short window IE 7 days or less is going to be a promotion and a "Hire by name".

When I got my promotion a few years ago my new job had to be listed and was a VRA but it was a "Hire by name" and was closed a few days after it opened. So although you may see a job listed it may not be available. One needs to be able to read between the lines when it comes to .gov jobs.

Correct, job position has been written for a person or persons , that dept would like. They have to do transfer, or open enrollment before they can hire the person already slated to fill that job. Advertising a job is merely a formality to CYA with EEOC, HR and anyone else who has an axe to grind.

[stevelkinevil]

I am completely OK with this, and having not read the whole thread (don't judge I have s**t to do) I can only imagine the OP was being facetious.

[MED]

I run into this a lot with Digital Security/Information Assurance jobs. On one hand I am disappointed, but on the other I respect the sacrifice that vets made so I don't get upset about it.