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    Quote Originally Posted by SA Friday View Post
    No nothing here in CO yet, but state laws like this affect every other state. If 25 of the 50 states pass stupidity like this, manufacturers have to make choices, do it, not sell in those states, or just shut down. The anti's win with all three choices. If the manufacturers comply, then the anti's get to go onto the next step in the slow bleed to gun ownership death.

    This is how it happened in England. This is how it happened in Australia.

    Oh ya, I can't believe I failed to mention this part of it all earlier...
    How is LE supposed to figure out who owns the gun that left the microstamped brass? Hypothetically, the law passed, murder occurred, brass was found with a S/N on it. OK, now what? The cops are going to say it's worthless info. Dem's are going to say they now need a central registry of all firearms S/N's and who owns them so LE can match up the info faster.
    It's never been about enforcement, but control. Look around and see the control grid being in placed. This will not happen, but a treaty will be ratified and then your 2A will be dead finally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssf467 View Post
    It's never been about enforcement, but control. Look around and see the control grid being in placed. This will not happen, but a treaty will be ratified and then your 2A will be dead finally.
    According to Article 6 of the US Constitution, any treaty ratified has to comply with the US Constitution to be legal. So, they will have to repeal the 2nd ammendment (as they did with the 18th ammendment with the inception of the 21st ammendment) BEFORE the treaty would be legal or enforceable. If they repealed the 2nd ammendment, the treaty would be irrelevant at that point, and more than likely the US would be in or on the brink of a second civil war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SA Friday View Post
    According to Article 6 of the US Constitution, any treaty ratified has to comply with the US Constitution to be legal. So, they will have to repeal the 2nd ammendment (as they did with the 18th ammendment with the inception of the 21st ammendment) BEFORE the treaty would be legal or enforceable. If they repealed the 2nd ammendment, the treaty would be irrelevant at that point, and more than likely the US would be in or on the brink of a second civil war.

    Thank you.... +1 for being somewhat informed....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SA Friday View Post
    According to Article 6 of the US Constitution, any treaty ratified has to comply with the US Constitution to be legal. So, they will have to repeal the 2nd ammendment (as they did with the 18th ammendment with the inception of the 21st ammendment) BEFORE the treaty would be legal or enforceable. If they repealed the 2nd ammendment, the treaty would be irrelevant at that point, and more than likely the US would be in or on the brink of a second civil war.
    Look at the last 2 decisions on the 2A. Yes it's an individual right, yes it can be regulated. So with that frame of reference, the treaty would be constitutional. So I don't have to repeal the 2A, but regulate it. The gun restrictions coming will be gradual. Look to the UK.

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    Was there any major shooting events in recent time that the shooters didn't get caught or shot dead?

    What other benefits could tracking system be for? If someone is going postal, he doesnt give a shit on whose gun and whose ammo he'd be using.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ssf467 View Post
    Look at the last 2 decisions on the 2A. Yes it's an individual right, yes it can be regulated. So with that frame of reference, the treaty would be constitutional. So I don't have to repeal the 2A, but regulate it. The gun restrictions coming will be gradual. Look to the UK.
    The 2A has been regulated but that does not mean its within the bounds of the Constitution. "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"
    infringed = to violate or break, to encroach or trespass on.
    This clearly encroachs upon. I agree they aim for a gradual goal of violating the 2A.
    We can let the lawyers steal it away saying its a gray area, or read the writings of our founding fathers who make it black and white. Regulating is a violation of the 2A. How far will each person let it go, thats their choice and our down fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim02 View Post
    The 2A has been regulated but that does not mean its within the bounds of the Constitution. "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"
    infringed = to violate or break, to encroach or trespass on.
    This clearly encroachs upon. I agree they aim for a gradual goal of violating the 2A.
    We can let the lawyers steal it away saying its a gray area, or read the writings of our founding fathers who make it black and white. Regulating is a violation of the 2A. How far will each person let it go, thats their choice and our down fall.
    Preaching to the Choir. They've infringed by the way of the 1928 & 1968 gun control acts, but we've accepted it, so why stop there.
    We will be disarmed if we don't stand up and start electing Pro Constitutionalists.
    Citizens are armed, slaves are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssf467 View Post
    Preaching to the Choir. They've infringed by the way of the 1928 & 1968 gun control acts, but we've accepted it, so why stop there.
    We will be disarmed if we don't stand up and start electing Pro Constitutionalists.
    Citizens are armed, slaves are not.

    How can we get those repealed...a united from for the republican party? we can all see the 3rd party candidates are great but will not win...

    I would like to see the 86 ban repealed. I can own one made prior to 86, but not a newly made one. even if the same process was in place but new manufactured guns could be bought, that is a step in the right direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sniper7 View Post
    How can we get those repealed...a united from for the republican party? we can all see the 3rd party candidates are great but will not win...
    Why can't a 3rd party win?

    As long as voters have this mind set we will be doomed with the choice between a douche bag and a turd sandwich.

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    3rd party can win, it has won before and we can do it again. all it will take is your vote.
    Mine will be there unless one of the parties can come up with a great canidate. I am not voting for a turd anymore just becase this turd stinks less that turd.

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