Caliber debates about pistols are worthless

[68Charger]

Sgt. Gramin's experience reminded me of an old Alaskan bush pilot saying:

"Any landing you can walk away from is a good one"

armchair all you want- but in the end, he went home (but had to deal with ending a life) and the bad guy didn't. The BG won't be roaming the streets looking for less experienced officers to "bust a cap in" (or is that just a west coast saying?)

I thought it was a great read, and I would aspire to perform as well as Sgt. Gramin if the same thing happened to me.
Could he have done something different? Of course!
would it have had a different outcome? I'm sure some would have, but I don't think there's a better outcome than the actual ending.

I read this looking for something to take away as a learning experience- 'training, persistence, and carry lots of ammo!' is what I come up with. (nothing new, really)

In the end, I'm happy Sgt. Gramin survived, and I hope he has come to terms and forgiven the doctor for questioning his methods. (and even the BG, since he paid the ultimate price already)

BTW trot, loved your last post!

[hollohas]

There are very few shootouts I have read about that the officer had that high a percentage of accurate hits, especially during a prolonged fight. That guy did great and obviously took his training very seriously. His experience is more than most firearms instructors have. The advice from a man who has won a knockdown, drag-out fight is worth much more to me than one who hasn't.

And loosely addressing the theme of this thread without jumping on the pile, I say do both...train more AND carry more ammo. No reason not to do both. If training and shot placement were the only factors, highly trained/skilled officers would still be carrying revolvers. There's a reason even the best LE shooters chose a handgun with a higher capacity.

[osok-308]

Fuck that guy! He's a POS idiot.

Tell us how you really feel about him.

[lex137]

I just finished reading through the thread. Man I enjoyed it, thanks for the entertainment! I think you should train as much as you can and carry as much as you want. Never can have enough bullets or training!

[MrPrena]

^
I just finished reading entire thread.

Time for "Put Up or Shut Up" part 3?


https://www.ar-15.co/threads/59342-q...p-quot-Thread?
"Put Up or Shut Up" part 1



https://www.ar-15.co/threads/96859-T...hut-up-thread?
"Put Up or Shut Up" part 2

[cofi]

Burpees untill collapse then getting shot at with paintballs while trying to engage a moving head sized target???

[Jamnanc]

Five burpees for me then. Warm paintballs not cold. You buy the ammo. I'll still miss, but we'll both have fun.

[Great-Kazoo]

Burpees untill collapse then getting shot at with paintballs while trying to engage a moving head sized target???

Five burpees for me then. Warm paintballs not cold. You buy the ammo. I'll still miss, but we'll both have fun.

Screw that, 6 x 6 steel target @ 20 yds. back towards target, turn on command and engage plate. Everyone else count hits. Oh, it will be a timed event. Maybe throw a bowling pin OR, balloon in as threat stopped bonus point[s]
There should be 1 or 2 surprises while engaging target (TBA)

OH yeah forgot. 1st mag is fired from a seat you're buckled in to .

[Irving]

Screw that, 6 x 6 steel target @ 20 yds. back towards target, turn on command and engage plate. Everyone else count hits. Oh it will be a timed event. There should be 1 or 2 surprises while engaging target.

Sign me up. 6x6 at 20 yards is no joke, for me at least.

[cofi]

Sign me up. 6x6 at 20 yards is no joke, for me at least.

True story I bet I well under that cops hit percentage