Caliber debates about pistols are worthless

[KestrelBike]

Says he isn't trolling, proceeds to troll some more.

Can we have you shoot a match while I shoot SIMUNITIONS at you?

FIFY

[Jim B]

I was trying to say that if he shot him in the head to start off with, it would have been over a lot sooner. I also want to point out that you can shoot a head size target effectively and quickly with the proper training and practice.

You must have missed this part: "Gramins fired back through his windshield". He also had this to take into account: "Then a few yards from where a 10-year-old boy was skateboarding on a driveway, the suspect abruptly squealed to a stop."

[Bailey Guns]

I also want to point out that you can shoot a head size target effectively and quickly with the proper training and practice.

You forgot the part where the head was moving quickly and shooting back at you. You also forgot the part about the head not having to worry about anything and you having to worry about all sorts of shit.

The way I see it you can Aim and make a quality hit or sling lead in the general direction of your target and hope to get a hit.

The officer was obviously aiming. That's why he got a total of 17 hits on a moving target that was shooting back at him and, at least for a while, behind good cover and/or concealment. He still managed to make 3 head shots on the guy while looking under a car. I'd say that's pretty impressive. Furthermore, almost every reputable instructor or school will teach shooting for the center of the torso when possible. Why? Because it's easier to hit a bigger target than it is a smaller target. Especially a target that, once again, is moving and shooting back at you. You can see it however you want. Almost the entire shooting community on the entire planet sees it differently.

One method is going to produce more consistent results than the other so choose wisely.

Correct. That's why everyone teaches you to initially shoot at the torso when possible. It produces more consistent results.

I think I'll echo jhood's words here and listen to the guy who's been there and done that and survived over the silly musings of a keyboard USPSA commando.

[ray1970]

My daily load out consists of exactly zero rounds. Has for the past forty-three years.

Making smart decisions and having a bit of good luck goes a long way.

Your mileage may vary.

[DocMedic]

Cha-lee Stop Trolling lol. Next thing you know your gonna tell us to go practice IDPA

[jhood001]

He lived. Bad guy died. He now say's more ammo is better?

I think I'll take his words into great consideration and not do any speculating of my own. I've never had to shoot at something shooting back at me.

[<MADDOG>]

Thanks for the post OP. Interesting reading.

[cofi]

I'm getting 60 yard hail Mary thread flashbacks

[cstone]

IDPA and IPSC would be more realistic if it was a two-way match. Rather than targets, they could have competitors beginning on opposite ends of the course and moving toward each other while engaging one another. Winner gets to move on to the next match.

Luck or providence is always present. The best can be beaten by the lucky. It sort of falls under "Life isn't fair."

[ray1970]

IDPA and IPSC would be more realistic if it was a two-way match. Rather than targets, they could have competitors beginning on opposite ends of the course and moving toward each other while engaging one another. Winner gets to move on to the next match.

Note to self: don't let cstone run a match or design stages for a match.