Caliber debates about pistols are worthless

[CHA-LEE]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU0wYqRX7Gs Race shirt, race gun, race mags, standing square to your target in ideal weather conditions on a flat range shooting head size poppers - pretty much IDEAL conditions, but yet I still count six misses. Yet you have the nerve to critique an officer involved shooting that occurred after a high speed pursuit, in full duty gear, in a dynamic environment and your confused as to why people think you have an ego??

Yes, failing is part of learning and competing. Thus why I keep diligent in practicing the things I have challenges with and learning what I have challenges with is best discovered under the pressure involved with competition shooting. If I had an over inflated ego why would I even post a video of me failing for everyone to see? It would be much easier to only post the stage runs where I knocked it out of the park to pump up my ego, but that isn't who I am. I use these videos to observe what skills are failing so I can formulate a training plan to fix them. If I only posted the stage runs where I was executing my skills properly then it wouldnt be a very useful training tool would it?

The stage in question is a plate rack of 6 inch plates set at about 30 yards down range. This is by no means, an "Easy" shooting challenge but it was a fun stage to shoot at the match. The majority of my misses were only about 1 - 2 inches low hitting the frame of the rack just below the plates by the evidence of the dirt being kicked up just below the plate rack. When I got back home after this match, I setup this same shooting challenge in practice and shot it using different points of aim on the plates and different types of trigger presses to figure out what the best solution is for this type of target scenario. The way I see it, this video of me failing to hit the plates was a perfect tool in identifying a weakness in my shooting skills, formulating a training plan to over come the issue, and incorporating the solution into my future practice sessions. I could care less if others choose to leverage it as a "See how much you suck....." point they are trying to make. For the "Haters", I would suggest you setup this exact same shooting challenge the next time you are at the range for practice and see if you can shoot the plates one for one at an aggressive pace. After you give it a try and eat a big slice of humble pie you may want to rethink your judgement of others performance in the shooting challenge in question.

[UncleDave]

Tell us what you really think Jer!

[HoneyBadger]

Its as simple as this.....

No Practice = No Competency

Practice = Competency

More Practice = More Competency

You are exactly right! Perfect practice makes for a perfect performance while poor practice makes for a poor performance.

Practicing USPSA will make you better at USPSA. It will not necessarily make you better at shooting through a windshield at a criminal who is shooting at you (essentially ambushing you) with the intent to kill you (while you are trying not to shoot an innocent bystander or cause collateral damage in the neighborhood where you stopped) while he is advancing upon your vehicle that you have no good escape from immediately following an erratic and dangerous high-speed chase.

I don't think I read a single comment in this thread advising people to not practice as much as they can afford to. IDPA, USPSA, 3 Gun, prairie dog matches, etc are all wonderful training tools, but your training can only take you so far.

[condoor]

Yes, failing is part of learning and competing. Thus why I keep diligent in practicing the things I have challenges with and learning what I have challenges with is best discovered under the pressure involved with competition shooting. If I had an over inflated ego why would I even post a video of me failing for everyone to see? It would be much easier to only post the stage runs where I knocked it out of the park to pump up my ego, but that isn't who I am. I use these videos to observe what skills are failing so I can formulate a training plan to fix them. If I only posted the stage runs where I was executing my skills properly then it wouldnt be a very useful training tool would it?

The stage in question is a plate rack of 6 inch plates set at about 30 yards down range. This is by no means, an "Easy" shooting challenge but it was a fun stage to shoot at the match. The majority of my misses were only about 1 - 2 inches low hitting the frame of the rack just below the plates by the evidence of the dirt being kicked up just below the plate rack. When I got back home after this match, I setup this same shooting challenge in practice and shot it using different points of aim on the plates and different types of trigger presses to figure out what the best solution is for this type of target scenario. The way I see it, this video of me failing to hit the plates was a perfect tool in identifying a weakness in my shooting skills, formulating a training plan to over come the issue, and incorporating the solution into my future practice sessions. I could care less if others choose to leverage it as a "See how much you suck....." point they are trying to make. For the "Haters", I would suggest you setup this exact same shooting challenge the next time you are at the range for practice and see if you can shoot the plates one for one at an aggressive pace. After you give it a try and eat a big slice of humble pie you may want to rethink your judgement of others performance in the shooting challenge in question.

I wasn't calling you out on your shooting ability. You're a good shooter, and yes that's a hard stage. I've shot USPSA - it's a fun game.

Your hit percentage on the poppers was 50%, and yet none of those were through a windshield? Weird. Maybe you just needed to slow down, execute the fundamentals properly regardless of the situation, and get the hits the first time. Oh wait it's a hard stage - I forgot. You getting the point yet???

"Carrying more ammo daily so you can continue to fail in executing the shooting fundamentals is a retarded strategy if you ask me. " Wow
"Carrying more ammo only promotes failure to aim at the thing you are shooting at." Now that is dumb.
"He would be better served with daily carrying a reasonable amount of ammo but instead improving his firearms training and practice to a point where he can execute the fundamentals properly regardless of the situation. " - Based on your tireless weekends at the USPSA match. Awesome.

Plink away partner.

[Bailey Guns]

He's too busy trying to defend a point no one has argued against.

[Jer]

So in summary, he's an asshole because you think he's an asshole? Okay, Whatever. I think the training style he offers is valuable. If you don't like it then don't give him your money. I said upfront that I don't like everything about him, but SOME of the things he says are valuable.

No he's an asshole because he's an asshole. He knows it and doesn't care. I don't care how good you think his ideas are because he's a douche and I'm sure you can find better ideas for less money anywhere else on earth.

[spqrzilla]

Wait a minute, this forum allows prejudice against douchebags? Wish you would have told me that ...

More seriously, Gabe Suarez is not an idiot. That's complete nonsense. He is an f'ing douchebag, I grant.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I'm a big believer of recording yourself to see what you were doing wrong -- it works great for golf, martial arts, batting cages, etc. -- but posting them online is not an act of self-education. The very fact of posting them online says "look at me!"

I believe you're a skilled pistolero but where you fell short of the mark in my book (not that it means or should mean anything to you) was in your off-handed criticism that came off like you were saying the officer should have just gone for the head shot in the first place. I like USPSA as well and it's certainly better than just standing in a booth looking at a circular target but it is also a far cry from actual combat. The tone of your initial criticism (and frankly your subsequent posts) gave many of us the impression of unbridled ego; I don't think anyone would have jumped on you if you had just said, "it pays to practice for smaller targets and head shots as well" rather than "it would have been over sooner if ..." . The officer in question is no slouch either and he drew many lessons from his experience which include packing more ammo and keeping his rifle handier.

[thvigil11]

Man, Purses are really flying in this thread.

[blacklabel]

Man, Purses are really flying in this thread.

And for that, I love this thread.