Another parent arrested at a school board meeting.

[cstone]

Here's the full story. The man was interviewed Tuesday night on Hagmann & Hagmann's blogtalkradio show. Here's the article from Doug Hagmann: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/62941

There's also a snippet from the book in the article. I'd be livid if a teacher made my kid read that crap...

You consider that "the full story?" I would consider this article as Mr. Baer's side of the story with an obvious slant by the author against the school board.

It is apparent that Mr. Baer will contest the Disorderly Conduct charge, as is his right. Maybe the city attorney or the judge will toss the charge to make it go away, however, just based on the video linked in the OP, Mr. Baer was given the opportunity to speak, he exceeded the time everyone was allotted, he was asked to leave and chose to stay, his actions disrupted the public meeting, therefore IMO, Mr. Baer is guilty of charge of Disorderly Conduct. If he knowingly chose to violate the law in order to bring attention to this issue, it is a clear case of civil disobedience, which I have no problem with.

When people disagree with a law and they knowingly break the law to point out the injustice of the law, that is free speech.

I'm not defending the book in question or it's use in a 9th grade Honors English class. I am defending the police officer and the right of anyone who is conducting public business to do so in an orderly manner. There were other ways Mr. Baer could have addressed the issue. He acted how he acted and the fine, if he is convicted of the charge, is $1200. Based on current advertising rates I would say that is cheap publicity for the issue he chose to raise with the school board. I would assume there are people who are already donating to help defray his out of pocket expenses.

[funkymonkey1111]

You consider that "the full story?" I would consider this article as Mr. Baer's side of the story with an obvious slant by the author against the school board.

It is apparent that Mr. Baer will contest the Disorderly Conduct charge, as is his right. Maybe the city attorney or the judge will toss the charge to make it go away, however, just based on the video linked in the OP, Mr. Baer was given the opportunity to speak, he exceeded the time everyone was allotted, he was asked to leave and chose to stay, his actions disrupted the public meeting, therefore IMO, Mr. Baer is guilty of charge of Disorderly Conduct. If he knowingly chose to violate the law in order to bring attention to this issue, it is a clear case of civil disobedience, which I have no problem with.

When people disagree with a law and they knowingly break the law to point out the injustice of the law, that is free speech.

I'm not defending the book in question or it's use in a 9th grade Honors English class. I am defending the police officer and the right of anyone who is conducting public business to do so in an orderly manner. There were other ways Mr. Baer could have addressed the issue. He acted how he acted and the fine, if he is convicted of the charge, is $1200. Based on current advertising rates I would say that is cheap publicity for the issue he chose to raise with the school board. I would assume there are people who are already donating to help defray his out of pocket expenses.

You seem pretty pro-state. You know, sometimes the state doesn't really give a shit what the citizen has to say. Ever run across that situation? Or, is your approach for citizens to comply?

[cstone]

You seem pretty pro-state. You know, sometimes the state doesn't really give a shit what the citizen has to say. Ever run across that situation? Or, is your approach for citizens to comply?

I'm pretty much anti anarchy. I believe in just about everything having a time and a place to be appropriate. I recognize the benefits and limits of individuals as well as the limits and benefits of government. I do not believe in an invisible, anonymous "state." I believe that individuals assemble and cooperate to accomplish common goals. To do that they institute laws and cede some autonomy to the group/government in order to accomplish the agreed upon "common good." While majorities often rule, there are times and circumstances when the rights of individuals may not (should not) be violated even when there is a "common good" being obstructed.

Was I unclear above when I wrote that I believe and support the right of free speech and civil disobedience?

When the citizen does not comply with the law, the citizen should recognize there are consequences to that choice. If you don't like the law then work to change the law. I believe this is even more true when the citizen has a voice in electing representatives who make the law.

[BushMasterBoy]

You seem pretty pro-state. You know, sometimes the state doesn't really give a shit what the citizen has to say. Ever run across that situation? Or, is your approach for citizens to comply?

I bet if the local judge was out of order at the meeting, the cop would have not done anything. I don't know if the guy arrested would be allowed a jury trial. Some misdemeanors you don't get the option of a jury. I personally see this a First Amendment violation, being arrested for being vocal. I am not a cop or a parent. But you are right, the "system" is really screwed up! The lesson is if you are going to be civilly disobedient, make sure you way outnumber the enforcers. They can't arrest everybody! Kinda like what the blacks did in the 50's and 60's. If you are going to "lone wolf" it you don't have a chance.
Now if I could get decent medical care from the VA local clinic I would be really happy...maybe they will investigate that too! Sorry my two minutes is up...

[kidicarus13]

Didn't listen to the topic the school board was talking about but I thought 1:09 was ironic... "This is ridiculous" Sir, your outburst was ridiculous.

[cstone]

For me, this story provides a good reason to protest against public schools. These types of incidents are far more common than anyone should accept.

http://www.9news.com/story/news/nati...-rape/8803161/

[MrPrena]

This story is truly sad to hear.

What if school officials gave him more warnings?
What if he got upset with lower decibels?
What if school officials were apologetic earlier?
Finally,
What if the school did not use offensive materials at the first place?

This tragic incident would have never happened.
As I always said, some school dist. lacks of common sense.